The GOP Is Dying Because The Liberty Movement Is Thriving

Zero Hedge ^ | December 6, 2012 | Brandon Smith

[Smokin' Joe]

Libertarianism is a great philosophy, but the wheels fall off of it on the values front.

I would rather risk the perils of too much Liberty than the opposite.

So many GOP people are so hung up on regulating drugs (how is that working, BTW?) and scream about Libertarians when it comes to Abortion, but have yet to make any progress against abortion, even when the GOP held all the cards. I keep seeing Right foot, Left foot, trudging down the road to totalitarianism, each passing the tools the other cannot, until our Liberty has become but a pale shadow of its former self.

That aside, (and keeping in mind I do not agree with any Party at the moment), I think we need to put the Federal Genie back into its Constitutional bottle. It is granting far too many wishes out there.

The Federal workforce could be halved overnight if those duties not granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution were not being undertaken by the Fed Gov.

Does anyone in their right mind think the Congress, even if a GOP majority with the White House Behind it, will produce the sort of draconian cuts necessary, not only to save this country from spending itself into insolvency, but essential to fostering an environment in which businesses large and small can thrive and put America back to work, to restore our prosperity to the level which will be essential if this country is not going to become a footnote?

Without a restoration to those values, keeping in mind that those who founded this nation were godly in principle, there will only be a mentality of fighting over the scraps left on the carcass, much as that present today.

And yes, some of the largest offenders are the Wars on Drugs and Poverty, neither of which has been effective, but both of those imposters have consumed fortunes, lives, and the Rights of us all. Sadly, the war on Terror is being manipulated in the same way, with gropings at airports, and a loss of any semblance of privacy, right down to the nullification of Habeas Corpus.

This cannot go on.

If the GOP will not turn to the right, and it has shown only signs of the opposite, I am done with it. Now, like so many others, I am looking for a standard to bear. I would like to think there are enough solid Conservatives to toss the Marxists from the Libertarian movements and form a viable organization, but that is ever up to the individuals.

YMMV, FRiend.

[Smokin' Joe]

Just because you say various drugs and sexual exchanges should be legal does not mean you are encouraging people to use them.

It would revert to the States to make laws concerning those topics, and people could live where the laws suited them. The results would inspire others to act accordingly, imho.

Just because there is no Federal Bludgeon to impose one size fits all rules does not mean life would become unlivable, nor does it mean that people would abandon their morality in the absence of a Federal Law.

Constitutionally, the Federal Government has no authority to regulate either, and to grant it that authority means that it can regulate anything a person consumes, and anything a person does, powers which might not be used in a moral fashion.

[Smokin' Joe]

I'm saying you got just that, and no Libertarian voted for any of it. In fact, now you have the homofascists becoming a protected class, and still no libertarian voting for that, either.

We all get to pick up the tab for their health care (why do you think Obamacare was pushed so hard??) and no Libertarian voted for that, either.

Try as one might, there are only two sets of feet this mess belongs at, and those are the Dems, who pushed a lot of it, and the GOP who failed to turn that around and push the other way.

[i_robot73]

I really can’t help it...just WOW. It’s no wonder Conservatives can’t get their sh!t together when most are so myopic and petty.

Instead of seeing the battle as Constitutional over-reach and Judicial fiat, they’d rather battle one another, and those of like minds to score some political points. At no time have I brought up abortion, but was cast into the same ‘fringe’ L camp. I bring up Liberty and get berated...c’est la vie.

“...May your chains sit lightly upon you...”

[i_robot73]

appreciate the correction!

[i_robot73]

True. Unfort. the GOP has their own plantation as much as the DEMs.

I’ve seen it too often they hem and haw while trying to pluck the silver lining from the thunderstorm instead of the laying the wrath of God upon those that are voted to do OUR bidding.

Boehner giving 800B? Roberts OK’ing health-law? “Well, that gives us option X, Y or Z”.

Libertarians though? They’re outright kookie! When the 2 party cartel has broken EVERY piece of the Constitution, we’re the ones waved away from fixing things....I think you’re right; they WANT their chains.

[Resolute Conservative]

“Just because you say various drugs and sexual exchanges should be legal does not mean you are encouraging people to use them.” Tacitly yes you do. If you do not condemn it then it becomes a problem. I don’t care who you pump in your house (men, women, dog, light socket..) as long as it does not harm another person or cost me money. However history has shown that where a little perversion is allowed and not held in check it escalates due to cultural apathy and before you know it is harming others and costing me money. Examples: AIDS clinics, drug rehab clinics, alcohol rehab, minority education programs, animal shelters, property damage and bystander deaths from drugs and DWI accidents.

PC and diversity nonsense - not wanting to stand up and make a statement that something out side the realm of fiscal policy is wrong.

While I agree it is a culture issue, and there are people who argue the next point, this country was not founded on that kind of fu__ up culture. It was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Like it or not, it was and therefore any deviation from that culture will change this country. It has and for the worse. Example, early on when charity was handled at a local level, families, and through churches (yes God) people were cared for just fine and the government minded it own business. Once the government decided it could do it better the apathetic liberty lovers did nothing to stop it.

You can tie fiscal policy to that directly. Before we had to accommodate all the perverted and non-main stream lifestyles we did not have to spend money on making them get their fair share and not have their feelings hurt. Example, it is my right to hire who I want. If you have a behavior that you do not demonstrate to me or affects my business then fine, but if I find out I can not hire you or fire you. We don’t need the money sucking EEOC to ensure it and make me hire an X% of something.

[Owl558]

“At no time have I brought up abortion.”

Of course you didn’t. Maybe because you are uncomfortable with the pro-baby killing aspect of your political beliefs, or maybe you are not a true libertarian. I don’t know. Don’t really care.

Again, the baby-murdering aspect of your ideology is not “small” nor “petty” nor “myopic”. Murdered babies are not “political points” as you seem to think and I cannot dismiss their murder as easily as you do.

Libertarians constitute <1% of the electorate. Sounds pretty fringe to me. That is why you people pretend to be conservative, unless drugs or abortion or open borders or gay marraige are involved (you know, the “small” stuff), because nobody pays attention to your political bleatings otherwise.

We are NOT political allies and never have been. Get a clue. We’re telling you to your face (Who’s the myopic one?) C’est la vie. Deal with it.

[i_robot73]

I am quite comfortable standing up for myself and my limited gov’t beliefs, thanks for asking. I guess you really put me in my place *rolls eyes*

Again, I never brought the subject up, YOU injected. Not that you’d bother to sit down, STFU and listen, but I’ll tell you anyhow: I’m against. One egg + one sperm = new person. Mommy only incubates and nurtures. They BOTH have full Constitutional protects; unless the baby truly does not make it through pregnancy on its own.

Second, I’m not sure way poll your grabbing for the <1%, but I’d say your under-counting by far. I’d rank it up there with the ‘debates’...if it wasn’t for the big-2 it’s not on TV != not a viable party/platform.

And lastly, yes, the details remain the SMALL parts. Liberty, Freedom and Rule of Law are the starting.

I could give a flying fornication at a rolling doughnut; I’ll still be fighting the good fight while your party continues to bend you over. Not many elections you’ll be winning pushing the ‘fringe’ groups from your tent. THAT is not only myopic, that’s just a special kind of STUPID.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Brandon Smith/Zero Hedge art.]
... proving that the GOP is no longer effective at keeping us reigned in or co-opted.....

I wish I had a dollar every time someone wrote "reigned in" rather than the correct "reined in" -- as in, reins on a buckboard or coach-and-six.

Or "honed in on" rather than "homed in on".

Or "poured over", meaning studying written material, rather than the correct "pored over".

It would certainly keep me in gasoline money.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Art.] The MSM and others are essentially suggesting that only white people will ever vote Republican, and by association, that only white people value conservatism and Constitutionalism.

The author correctly labels this a lie.

I'll go him one better and point out that it is also a racist lie, as the counterexamples of J.C. Watts, Starr Parker, Ward Conerly, and Associate Justice Clarence Thomas abundantly attest.

[Alaska Wolf]

I wish I had a dollar every time someone wrote "reigned in" rather than the correct "reined in" -- as in, reins on a buckboard or coach-and-six. Or "honed in on" rather than "homed in on". Or "poured over", meaning studying written material, rather than the correct "pored over".

I've poured over your post and it appears you had better hone your reading skills before it rains on your parade.))

[DH]

I stand beside you and have “harped and preached” about how the Republicans were the “go along to get along” party and did not represent ANY conservative cause or supporter for many years now.

Voting for a Republican is like standing in a line so you can get your ticket to Auschwitz.

I used to be a good financial contributor to their cause each year but ceased when Bush Sr. was pushed on us. I’ve never given a dime since.

The fact is that it is a “pipe dream” and foolish for anyone to think the party can be changed. Hint...Hint....look at what they are doing to the conservative Tea Party representatives in the house by the chief RINO “boner.” (Yes, that’s spelled right...he has a “boner” for all conservatives)

I live and hope for a third party to materialize that will actually represent conservatives and those who wish to turn the clock back to 1950 and live in a world of responsibility and where households had a “dad.” Where welfare was almost non existent. Criminals were punished due to their acts and trials not determined by some female judge’s or liberal male judge’s emotions.

The citizens of today cannot imagine that world. The world your child could walk to school without fear, the world a child could camp out in the back yard without worry that someone would come by and kidnap or harm him. A world in which we did not lock our doors at night or during the day and a world that men had ways of...let’s say...adjusting bad attitudes.

[Ron H.]

Good for you. Join the growing conservative chorus. Adiós GOP.

[Repeat Offender]

What are you talking about? "people like you gave us 0bama" was a me quoting another poster.......that's why it was in italics

Again, you demonstrate that your infected with HOOF & MOUTH, ergo, every time you open your mouth, you stick your HOOF in it. Please find below just who was Harriet Miers

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make as The GOP-elitist said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.

was pretty much the point I was making.

I think you meant to ping someone else, or you failed at reading comprehension, or you are drunk/off your meds.....or you failed at making your point because it comes off as you are upset with me for supporting the liberal GOPE and my post in no way supported the liberal GOPE. Nor do ANY of my posts support the GOPE.

[Kickass Conservative]

“Life is hard; it’s harder if your stupid” John Wayne.

“Life is hard; it’s harder if YOU’RE stupid” John Wayne.

[Finny]

?? What correction??? I think you make excellent points on this thread. Let’s pray that conservatives come to their senses that less government equals MORE morality.