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Study: "Disappointly weak" link between salt and high blood pressure
Yahoo ^ | 6 Dec 2012 | Lisa Collier Cool

Posted on 12/06/2012 5:15:19 PM PST by shove_it

For decades table salt has been on a healthy heart’s most wanted list. Believing it’s responsible for skyrocketing blood pressure, Americans have banned salt from tables and stripped it from recipes.

But new research says salt just might deserve a bit of a reprieve.

The link between salt and blood pressure is thought to date back to the 1940s when Duke University researcher Walter Kempner, M.D., became famous for using salt restriction as a means to treat people with high blood pressure. During the next few decades, studies confirmed Kempner’s theory that reducing salt could help reduce hypertension.

A Controversy is Born

Despite history, a brand new review of several studies from the past few decades related to blood pressure and salt intake suggests Kempner wasn’t right—that salt might not have as much of an effect on blood pressure and heart health as suspected.

The team leading the review published in the December 2012 Health Affairs pored over dozens of studies, some dating back to 1967, and said they were unable to find a link between salt intake and a risk for high blood pressure...

(Excerpt) Read more at health.yahoo.net ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: highbloodpressure; hypertension; salt; sodium
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Suspicions confirmed.
1 posted on 12/06/2012 5:15:23 PM PST by shove_it
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To: shove_it
But new research says salt just might deserve a bit of a reprieve,

Some of us have known this for a while.
2 posted on 12/06/2012 5:17:07 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: shove_it
Heart 411 by Cleveland Clinic cardiologists, reports the same thing. Salt is an unfairly indicted villain.
3 posted on 12/06/2012 5:20:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: shove_it

No surprise there. As someone with hypertension, I no longer use salt, although dining out can be a problem as restaurants just love to put salt in their meals to improve the taste.

Just the same, eliminating all the salt over which I had control did absolutely nothing in terms of lowering my blood pressure.


4 posted on 12/06/2012 5:22:34 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: andyk

I agree. I believe our bodies know when we need salt and/or sugar and have a built in electrolite meter. If we didn’t....why would we ever want something to drink or something salty or something sweet??


5 posted on 12/06/2012 5:22:34 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: shove_it

Dad had HBP since age 40, I have HBP since age 40. He’s in his 80’s, me in my 50’s. I can guarantee you salt has nothing to do with it!

That’s why they call it medical PRACTICE!


6 posted on 12/06/2012 5:25:47 PM PST by poobear (Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: shove_it

Someone notify Bloomingidiot.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 5:26:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: CdMGuy

My Doc told me to lay off salt because of HBP. 6 months later I went back and informed him I was tired all the time. After the blood test he told me my sodium level was to LOW.

Unfortunately my BP had not dropped. It’s all BS.


8 posted on 12/06/2012 5:28:04 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: CdMGuy

Next cholesterol.


9 posted on 12/06/2012 5:30:07 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: shove_it

There was a particular 30 yo USAF pilot with HIGH bp sustained. Needed to reduce it by orders. Could bench press some ridiculously high amount, ran many miles daily.

He threw out all canned and processed food and stopped lifting weights. Started reading preventive med literature a whole other world. Started taking vits, minerals and lots of produce. I surmised that if salt were a culprit then other minerals naturally occuring in normal food would counteract it.

Never took the anti salt hing seriously, just decreased it to moderate or little.

It worked very well.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 5:30:25 PM PST by stanne
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To: shove_it
Walter Kempner

Wasn't he on Hogan's Heroes?

11 posted on 12/06/2012 5:31:24 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Klink?


12 posted on 12/06/2012 5:34:43 PM PST by stanne
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To: traderrob6
Next cholesterol.

Already done.

The Shot That Prevents Heart Attacks

13 posted on 12/06/2012 5:34:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: shove_it
Is there really such a word in the English language as Disappointly?
14 posted on 12/06/2012 5:41:44 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: shove_it

Almost all of the nutritional recommendations given to us by the progressives controlling academia and our bureaucracies has been wrong.Beware mono and poly unsaturated vegetable oils.


15 posted on 12/06/2012 5:47:52 PM PST by rsobin
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To: TigersEye

Fascinating. Thanks for the link.


16 posted on 12/06/2012 5:48:15 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

You’re welcome. I found it very interesting too. Inflammation seems to be a key factor and that makes sense.


17 posted on 12/06/2012 5:55:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: shove_it

Everything in moderation.

I have had heart surgery for several issues. I am also a diabetic and I have bad lungs. That’s the short list.

I do the best to simply stay with moderation in all things. I miss the fruit and juices the most, but I still sin, but only in moderation.... half an orange or 8 grapes.

I continue to use ‘some’ sea salt.

When God wants me, He will take me.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 5:58:19 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Hmmm. To treat high blood pressure, my Cleveland Clinic doctor just put me on the Dash diet, which restricts sodium to under 1500 mg. per day. Not at all easy to follow.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 6:06:53 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: shove_it

Which suspicions?? That it was all a bunch of hooey, or that the Control Nannies on the Left are disappointed that the word will get out?


20 posted on 12/06/2012 6:08:37 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (If bad plastic surgeons were banned, then Bob Costas' normal face would still be alive.)
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To: eyedigress
Restricting salt leads to deficiencies in iodine and iodide. The soils here in the Midwest are low in iodine. So they (for once got it right) and put iodine in salt. But if you restrict the salt, you don't get enough iodine/iodide. Your thyroid can't work unless you've got enough iodine. The T/3 and T/4 are what work in the thyroid and the 3 and the 4 are iodines.

Poor thyroid function equals fatigue.

Also check your Vit. D levels.

I hope your check is in the mail.

BA

21 posted on 12/06/2012 6:30:31 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: CdMGuy
Just the same, eliminating all the salt over which I had control did absolutely nothing in terms of lowering my blood pressure.

People telling me what not to eat raises my blood pressure.

22 posted on 12/06/2012 6:34:24 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: shove_it
I can check my own blood pressure and eating something very salty will definitely send it up. I can eat fresh raw vegetables and slow down the swelling and blood pressure rise but not eliminate it. Besides who wants to eat lettuce and potato chips. So for salt I use potassium chloride instead of sodium. It's “saltier” and seems to not raise my BP as much.
23 posted on 12/06/2012 6:55:04 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I’ve found my blood pressure is most related to the number of democRats in Washington or Raleigh.


24 posted on 12/06/2012 6:56:51 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: CdMGuy

My brother’s first wife ate salt by the box full. He bought a box of salt a week for her.

She was a tiny woman and had good blood pressure.


25 posted on 12/06/2012 6:59:10 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Mygirlsmom

Both.


26 posted on 12/06/2012 7:04:43 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: DJ Taylor

Good point and why is this news disappointing?


27 posted on 12/06/2012 7:08:36 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: eyedigress

Did your doctor also prescribe a diuretic? (water pill)


28 posted on 12/06/2012 7:14:22 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: shove_it

Without salt human beings will sicken and die.

But regular iodized table salt is crap.

Use pure sea salt.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 7:16:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: shove_it

Why is it disappointing? I think it’s great. Salt makes a bunch of foods better. It doesn’t have bad side effects. Left-wing debbie-downers must be behind the disappointment.


30 posted on 12/06/2012 7:20:11 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: shove_it

My hubby is over weight. His blood pressure is perfect. I am skinny as hell and my blood pressure is high. I don’t eat salt, snacks, candy, soda; coffee, tea alcohol; etc. He eats everything. Go figure.


31 posted on 12/06/2012 7:21:09 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: shove_it

Celtic Sea Salt rocks. Much better than the poisonous stuff sold in stores.


32 posted on 12/06/2012 7:22:16 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: shove_it

If you are concerned about your heart, visit these links.

www.SaveYourHeart.com

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

Both based on Linus Paulings discovery of what heart disease really is, why you get plaque build up, and how to rid yourself of it.


33 posted on 12/06/2012 7:25:01 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: shove_it

I KNEW IT!! I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!! Man, I have ALWAYS questioned this bizarre vendetta against salt.


34 posted on 12/06/2012 7:30:23 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: shove_it

Decades ago docs I trained with believed salt did not cause hypertension, but if one already had it, especially Blacks, it would worsen it. I haven’t kept up with the research but most things shift of shift back again every few 5-10 years.


35 posted on 12/06/2012 7:30:54 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: hinckley buzzard; shove_it

The single biggest “gateKeeeper” of salt as a heart problem is the American Heart Assoc.


36 posted on 12/06/2012 7:40:01 PM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Werner Klemperer . . . I think


37 posted on 12/06/2012 8:09:54 PM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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When God wants me, He will take me

I know for a fact that you'll never die young. (From another discussion)

38 posted on 12/06/2012 8:56:31 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: EternalVigilance
But regular iodized table salt is crap.

Use pure sea salt.

Salt is salt, the only difference in any of it is cleanliness and texture. The salt in table salt is the same as salt used to deice roads and driveways, only cleaner and finer.

39 posted on 12/06/2012 9:01:08 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Graybeard58

Yes gramps, I agree. ;>)


40 posted on 12/06/2012 9:02:22 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: shove_it
I was hospitalized some years back with some heart related problems. A nurse noticed I had a habit of crossing my legs at the ankles when laying in bed. She told me that I should stop that practice as it "raised your BP". I told her to get a cuff and prove it. She walked out and never brought it up again.

Regards,
GtG

41 posted on 12/06/2012 9:09:32 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Graybeard58

Hi GB58,

As kids we used to pick up that road salt and suck on it. Most of us survived.


42 posted on 12/06/2012 10:02:40 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: CdMGuy

If salt was the culprit, my BP would 190/120 instead of 115/65 because I love salt and use it copiously.


43 posted on 12/07/2012 2:35:12 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Graybeard58

There are as many opinions about this as there are people, pretty much. Commenting on this subject is about as smart as commenting on a Civil War thread. Someday I’ll learn...


44 posted on 12/07/2012 3:29:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Use pure sea salt.

Sea salt tastes better too.

45 posted on 12/07/2012 3:35:28 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: Fresh Wind

I think so.


46 posted on 12/07/2012 3:38:42 AM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Use pure sea salt.

Indeed...Celtic or Redmond Real Salt is goooood for you.

47 posted on 12/07/2012 3:50:50 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: poobear
That’s why they call it medical PRACTICE!

That’s why they call it medical ARTS!

48 posted on 12/07/2012 7:13:03 AM PST by RedMonqey (America: It was a good run.)
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To: gitmo

I’m a saltaholic. I am 5’4” and weigh about 115 lbs (after 4 kids, LOL). My BP has always been in the 90/50 range. The only time it has been high was when I was pregnant with my first, when I developed pre-eclampsia. Curiously enough, the child who caused that also has a low BP and she loves salt about as much as I do. I also craved insanely spicy foods during that pregnancy and now she loves anything that’s spicy. Jalapenos are her favorite food group, I think ;)


49 posted on 12/07/2012 7:30:18 AM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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To: Gator113
I continue to use ‘some’ sea salt.

All salt is ‘sea’ salt

Salt is salt

Most, if not all, table salt is processed from sea water in evaporation ponds. Mined salt, usually for spreading on roads and for industrial use comes from ancient seas, long ago evaporated and covered over ages ago. But all are ‘sea’ salt and the same chemically.

Don’t fall for the hype of the "Mad Men" advertising agencies

Hoping you the best of health...

50 posted on 12/07/2012 7:42:43 AM PST by RedMonqey (America: It was a good run.)
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