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Walmart security shoots mother-of-2 shoplifting suspect dead in parking lot as she tries to flee
Daily Mail UK ^ | 8 Dec 2012 | James Nye

Posted on 12/08/2012 10:26:35 AM PST by smokingfrog

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To: Moonman62

I lived in Houston for over twenty years. The “right to propery” is a well established right in Texas law. The short version, you can use ANY force to protect your property, REGARDLESS of value!

It’s tragic she had to die this way, but, she only has herself and accomplishes to blame. It the crimes are deemed a felony, can’t her cohorts face “capital murder” charges?


221 posted on 12/08/2012 4:16:26 PM PST by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: bgill

Reading that article the woman deserved to be shot!


222 posted on 12/08/2012 4:18:41 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: ncpatriot

Read the effing article. She was killed to trying to run over the officer, not shoplifting.


223 posted on 12/08/2012 4:19:36 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: GladesGuru
If you have a reason why she should be allowed to steal, please post them, as I would be quite curious about why you seem to consider her death a wrongful one.

I love it when people MAKE SENSE and I'm in TOTAL agreement with you.

Nice to see that common sense is still alive.

224 posted on 12/08/2012 4:23:15 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: wardaddy
In TN you cannot shoot shoplifters

NOT TRUE if, in the commission of a crime, the perp either threatens or endangers your life, in TENN you have the right by law to defend yourself, whether you're a police officer or not..

It appears, according to the record of the Houston incident striking the officer and then trying to run him down while he was trying to perform an arrest is now way past shoplifting charges.

If law enforcement commands YOU to STOP the simplest way I know of avoiding ANY harmful confrontation to me or them is to COMPLY.

225 posted on 12/08/2012 4:35:29 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Charles Martel

That white stuff sure caused her lips to swell up.


226 posted on 12/08/2012 4:38:21 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: VideoDoctor
If law enforcement commands YOU to STOP the simplest way I know of avoiding ANY harmful confrontation to me or them is to COMPLY.

Unless you're an Army officer at a Las Vegas Costco...

227 posted on 12/08/2012 4:40:51 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Exactly right. She knew her actions were illegal. There are tons of jobs in Houston now, many are low paying and menial. But it is HONEST work. It does take personal responsibilty to be at work, per your assigned schedule, do a good job, EARN a paycheck and go home to your family at the end of the day.

WAY too many people, of all colors,race and creeds, think it is totally acceptable to AVOID personal responsibility for their actions. And here, in Texas, you can very well end up dead because of your poor choices.

My wife and I daily risk our lives to get to work, earn a paycheck and enjoy the life we have and anyone who thinks they are “entitled” to steal what I have risked my life to provide are likely to sacrifice their own trying to take mine.

228 posted on 12/08/2012 4:41:43 PM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: muawiyah
Now, about the cop ~ we need the videos,

That's what you should have stated initially, isn't it?

229 posted on 12/08/2012 4:42:00 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: VideoDoctor
Nice to see that common sense is still alive.

It's in damn short supply among the cop haters

230 posted on 12/08/2012 4:52:25 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Tahoe3002

Thanks for mentioning that Houston has tons of jobs right now. I see NOW HIRING signs all over town. They may be beginning, low paying jobs but it would mean honest work for these criminals that are out there robbing people.


231 posted on 12/08/2012 5:01:41 PM PST by Ditter
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To: sakic
Mr.Ms. Sakic, from your FR “intro site” you have the following quote:

“In nature there are neither rewards nor punishment - there are consequences”. Robert G. Ingersoll

This person decided to steal, likely to supplement her EBT and other government entitlements, and she learned the hard way there are sometimes SEVERE consequences for one’s actions.

She was stealing, not once, but evidently, multiple times, as she was caught multiple times, in WalMart. Yes, sorry for her poor decisions. Sorry she has two kids without a mother. She and her friends decided it would be fun and profitable to steal. Decisions have consequences. She is dead. Sorry, ‘bout dat.

232 posted on 12/08/2012 5:09:35 PM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8911831

Her friends didn’t care enough about her to take her to the ER but let her bleed out in their apartment parking lot. A neighbor stated “she” was looking for someone to help her. Can’t understand from the article if it was the one who died or one of the friends who told the neighbor what happened. Since they didn’t go to the ER, then that should bring more time added to their sentence.


233 posted on 12/08/2012 5:10:52 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Charles Martel

purple haze


234 posted on 12/08/2012 5:13:19 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: wardaddy
We hanged horse thieves because it left a man stranded in life or death situation in remote areas with hostiles around You cannot equate that with this

Have you been in some areas of large cities? The slap-on-wrist response to crime has bred us a whole population of hostiles. I'll stick with my original response. Moreover, as dozens of people have pointed out, she wasn't shot for shoplifting. She was shot for dragging him with her car, suggesting that a thief is only one situational development short of a murderer. Someone who doesn't give a hang about the law is inherently dangerous, as this chick proved. Sorry, can't dredge up a drop of sympathy for her.

235 posted on 12/08/2012 5:38:06 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: Alaska Wolf
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2966900/posts?page=131#131 ~ think that's pretty early in the thread ~ the question of videos was raised by another Freeper and I responded to that ~ so, videos have been part of this thread since post 70.

My concern was the claim this ol'gal was trying to run him down, yet a passenger was shot ~ from the side door. You'll find that somewhere in the vicinity of the first full description of the event a Freeper used the term 'run over', which may be more applicable than 'run down', since 'run down' necessarily implies some sense of steering toward a target, whereas 'run over' could simply have you trundled under the tires.

236 posted on 12/08/2012 5:42:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: A_perfect_lady
She, the thief who'd been banned earlier (and convicted in court), was shot, but she wasn't driving the car.

The union will need to provide the cop with one of their better lawyers for this one ~ the driver, if she was trying to run over, run down, back into, roll around on, or bump the cop, wasn't the primary suspect.

These cases where the cop shoots a passenger rather than the driver while claiming the driver was trying to collide with them on foot do get argued over a lot. The Bridgroom Case in New York ended up with NYC paying the unarmed men who were shot a huge sum. We had a shooting here where some kids tried to leave the IHOP without paying ~ the renta cop ~ an offduty Alexandria officer, shot a kid in the back seat. He too claimed they tried to collide with him ~ and he lost big time. Couldn't convict any of these cops but the civil damages were tremendous.

See the pattern ~ you can't convict the cops, but they really have to make sure they shoot the driver and not one of the unarmed passengers! Else the civil damage suit will be very costly.

This is one of the first such cases where we had a major video operation looking down on the events. Walmart could probably sell it as instructional material ~ and make a fortune!

237 posted on 12/08/2012 5:51:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: American in Israel

Totally agree with you. Well stated. Good post. Freepers on this thread applauding the despicable actions of a cop shooting at a fleeing car over shoplifting....is insanity.


238 posted on 12/08/2012 5:58:04 PM PST by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: bgill
Which raises another question ~ so the officer shoots somebody and neither he nor anyone else follows the blood trail of the target?

Or did the cops go out looking for this woman, or the car?

Someone else not involved in any of this found the wounded woman bleeding out in the car ~ the others having fled.

Seems to me it really wasn't her day!

239 posted on 12/08/2012 5:58:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ditter

That may be true. However, people are posting according to facts presented in the article. It states he shot at fleeing car. Freepers here see no problem with that. It’s disgusting.


240 posted on 12/08/2012 6:02:18 PM PST by Boxsford (God Is.)
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