Posted on 12/09/2012 7:26:52 AM PST by Katechon
Thanks! I was just discussing this with my wife and daughter after Church today. Not in this much detail so Thank you.
Thanks again sir.
Wow, you are so helpful. There so much info there; it will take me some days to process it!
Yes, I’ve listened to that twice a few weeks ago. At one point, I felt weak. It’s very real, very hard, very brutal. And very relevant.
I understand what you’re saying, but really, the secularist paradigm can’t grasp the core of the islamic hatred nor the importance of the Covenant, the Ark and the Temple.
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Check out article, and # 1 through # 24.
Thanks again, Katechon.
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Thanks. It is sometimes said that Islam is an Abrahamic religion, like Christianity and Judaism. But a closer look reveals that Islam denies and reverses just about everything in the biblical account.
Christianity considers itself to be the fulfillment of the Jewish Bible. It does not alter or deny any of the text of the Jewish Bible, as Mohammedanism does. The Christian Bible adds the New Testament, but keeps the Old Testament intact and unchanged.
Nor do thoughtful Christians deny that God’s Covenant with Israel continues to the present time, although the Temple was destroyed by the Romans and the Jewish people dispersed. Several times, the God of the Old Testament declares that His Covenant with Israel is “forever.” They may forsake God from time to time, but He will never forsake them. St. Paul also says in one of his Epistles that God’s covenant with Israel is “forever.”
Saul became Paul, a Christian apostle, but he did not deny the truth of the Covenant. Rather, he argued that Jesus was the promised Messiah, the fulfillment of the Old Covenant promises. Earlier, of course, he had fought fiercely against that idea, until his conversion.
Thus, not all Jews can admit that there is truth in Christianity, but all Christians can say that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—the God Israel—is the same as the Triune God of Christianity.
But not Islam. Islam often makes that claim, but that is nothing but takiya. The Muslim account contradicts the Biblical account—which both Christians and Jews believe to be the historic truth—repeatedly.
Hard to conclude that anyone but Satan could have dreamed up such a religion.
Yes, yes, yes. Indeed. What you’ve said is so important.
This is one of the best articles posted on FR in awhile and I hope it gets a lot of people thinking. This is the destruction that America is really facing (and the world, really) - and I have a very strong feeling it will be coming faster than any of us will believe. This is what we are really up against. Everyone seems to think that we can turn our country around - that there’s some political solution. Does the possibility exist that good changes can still come? Yes, but it isn’t very likely. That’s because our problems are moral ones and no one seems interested in talking very long about that. I just read a post on AT entitled: It Will Take A Moral Movement. It references the great religious revivals of America’s past. Just look at the comments posted (on AT) - they totally avoid the heart of the article. I’ve noticed the same thing here on FR whenever someone posts a similar article. Unless our nation (or a good number of us) comes to its knees in humble true repentance we are lost. Dealing with voter fraud, “uncorrupting” the GOPe, eliminating Rhinos (I know, I repeat myself) and starting a new Tea Party all have their place - but we don’t start there. Otherwise we are only dealing with symptoms. We start by examining our own hearts, by humbling asking God to examine our hearts to see if there be any wicked way in us and to renew or start our relationship with him and let him change us into the people he desires us to be. Just like our Founders of old did. This is our only hope as individuals or as a nation. I’m not very optimistic about our nation, I’m afraid. I believe the Biblical Last Days are upon us. When Syria falls and Jordan after her, Israel will be surrounded by her enemies. read what the Bible says happens then! Bad times will come on Israel after that. Pray, watch and prepare my friends.
This is the name of allah in arabic. Really looks like a snake.
Katechon~:” (from the text) the angel said: “Why should Ishmael have water, since his descendants will destroy the Israelites by thirst?”. God replied: “But now he is innocent, and I judge him according to what he is now”.
See . Even Father judges creatures based upon actions and behavior , rather than on those actions which will occur in future.
Thus , judgement is based on the character of one’s soul and behavior , rather than on that which is known to occur , based upon omnicience and foreknowledge .
He honors ‘Free Agency’ and does not compel us to do neihter good , nor evil ; we all have choice in our behavior , and will be judged accordingly .
Thanks for adding me to the ping on this. I am reading through it carefully, but wanted to comment quickly, that I appreciate your efforts. You have raised some very interesting points for me. You have put into concise wording some things I was trying to tie together as well. Thanks!
Thanks for adding me to the ping on this. I am reading through it carefully, but wanted to comment quickly, that I appreciate your efforts. You have raised some very interesting points for me. You have put into concise wording some things I was trying to tie together as well. Thanks!
Muslims do practice child sacrifice — by suicide-bombing.
They don’t practice abortion, it seems. But they sacrifice a girl’s flesh (genital mutilation) and send their boys to jihad in the way of allah against Jews and Christians (and all Kufrs, really, Hindus, Buddhists, etc).
[I had misread you regarding the Israelites, in my reply of yesterday. I undestand now what you meant regarding the pre-islamic invasion(s) of the Promised Land. Many thanks.]
Those Israelites were NOT descendants of Ishmael, but rather of his half-nephew, Jacob, aka Israel. Jacob’s father, Isaac, was Ishmael’s younger half-brother, Abraham’s son of promise, through whom the Israelites, their tribe of Judah, and the Messiah would come.
Ishmael’s descendants did, indeed, continue to live in Canaan and its surrounds and were often hostile to their Israelite cousins and to Jehovah himself.
But considering your scholarship, you alreadly know all this.
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Thank you for the clarifications. Yes, it coheres what my readings and thoughts. So it’s basically the descendants of Ishmael against the descendents of Isaac.
Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus — all come from Isaac’s seeds.
Ismael’s descendants will give birth to muhammad, the mouth-piece of the snake.
The Ark of the Covenant was given/built by Moses’s people.
It was a terrible blow to satan that the Torah should be given to Israel, Isaac’s descendants. He endeavored to overthrow it, and led the people to make the golden calf, while the two tables of the Law were bestowed on Moses without satan’s knowledge.
Israel chose God and the book, whereas Ismael’s decendants chose the snake and the sword.
The rest can choose Christ, with Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant, and the Church as its keeper.
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