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Supreme Court showdown expected over gay rights decisions [Kennedy v Scalia?]
Los Angeles Times ^ | Dec 8 2012 | David G. Savage

Posted on 12/09/2012 12:52:24 PM PST by WilliamIII

WASHINGTON — For more than two decades, the defining battles within the Supreme Court over social and moral controversies have been fought between two devout Catholics appointed by President Reagan.

Justice Antonin Scalia believes the law can and should enforce moral standards, including criminal bans on abortion and on "homosexual conduct" that many "believe to be immoral and destructive."

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy is a libertarian conservative who believes the Constitution protects the freedom of individuals to "make personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing and education."

Now the ideological fight between the conservative giants is set for another round. The two 76-year-olds are to some extent likely to be on opposite sides when the court meets in the spring to decide whether the government can refuse marriage and federal benefits to gays and lesbians.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: doma; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 12/09/2012 12:52:28 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Just another opportunity for SCOTUS to stick a knife in the back of decent Americans. We might as well get used to it.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 12:56:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: WilliamIII

Kennedy horribly socially liberal. We know where this is headed.


3 posted on 12/09/2012 12:59:21 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: WilliamIII
We know Kennedy stands up for some gay rights.

But we don't know that that extends as far as marriage. We'll see.

4 posted on 12/09/2012 1:00:33 PM PST by what's up
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To: RIghtwardHo

You’re right. Add his vote to the four DemonRats’ votes and it’s all over but the shouting.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 1:01:00 PM PST by libstripper
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To: WilliamIII

If it’s Scalia vs. Kennedy then it’s over, right? Four lib’s plus Kennedy.


6 posted on 12/09/2012 1:02:00 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: WilliamIII
“Now the ideological fight between the conservative giants..”

I stopped reading at that point. Anyone that thinks Kennedy is anything but a left tilted moderate has nothing intelligent to say.

7 posted on 12/09/2012 1:02:37 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
An opportunity to set Case Law interpreting that the Constitution was to LIMIT FEDERAL POWER, left everything they currently shove up our asses to the States, and here can be one of those Cases that allow for a STATEMENT establishing that this Country was founded on Judeo-Christian Moral Principles. This is NOT intended (The Constition) to LIMIT private conduct, but when Public Benefits are to be bestowed on "Alternative Lifestyles" (aka; Sex Deviates), we need to wipe out this abysmal assault on the Founding Fathers' intent.

If you can't adjust to NORMAL lifestyle, don't expect the benefits that are bestowed on those who actually produce value, traditional families, and a sense of right and wrong with common sense and moral compasses.

Deviates have no "Standing"; i.e., they engage in sexual conduct of their liking, and expect civilized society to recognize its legitamacy somehow.

It's goal is destruction of the Nuclear Family, Christian Principles, and any responsible thought is forbidden.

8 posted on 12/09/2012 1:03:26 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: what's up
Didn't Kennedy, in Lawrence v. Texas, explicitly include in his opinion that striking down anti-sodomy laws would not in any way entitle homosexuals to the rights of marriage?
9 posted on 12/09/2012 1:04:11 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: WilliamIII
Congress could have passed DOMA with a provision that removed it from court review. Article III, “with such exceptions . . . as Congress shall make.”

Its not as if the Framers designed Scotus to be supreme among the branches; Congress has allowed and encouraged it.

10 posted on 12/09/2012 1:07:29 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: fwdude
It would be interesting if you could come up with that part of Kennedy's opinion. Here's what Scalia said according to this article:

Kennedy's opinion left the laws against same-sex marriage "on pretty shaky grounds," Scalia said at the time. "If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is 'no legitimate state interest' … what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples?"

11 posted on 12/09/2012 1:10:19 PM PST by what's up
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To: Jacquerie

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 17 assured readers that the Judicial branch would be the weakest of the three branches.


12 posted on 12/09/2012 1:12:35 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: what's up
I'll post it when I find it.

It seemed more of an empty assurance at the time.

13 posted on 12/09/2012 1:17:21 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: WilliamIII
One of the reasons that societies fall is that they convince the normal productive members to no longer support and protect the society as whole by granting special status and protection to members that do not contribute sustainability to that society.

Those that sustain a society are denied the protection of that society in favor of those that don't, and they return the sentiment.

14 posted on 12/09/2012 1:17:38 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Exactly. And to think we could and should have had Robert Bork instead of this loser. >:(


15 posted on 12/09/2012 1:17:47 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: WilliamIII
In the spring of 2013 Kennedy will be focused on his legacy and his place in American history.

He has the option to be seen by liberal historians as the man who wrote the majority opinion striking down gay marriage laws.

or

He can uphold Pro Family anti gay marriage laws until the next case comes before the SCOTUS when Obama will have two or three appointments to the Court.

The most scary aspect is that by January 20, 2017 the SCOTUS could have five of its nine justices appointed by Barack Obama.

16 posted on 12/09/2012 1:30:38 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: jjotto
Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 17 assured readers that the Judicial branch would be the weakest of the three branches.

What is the quote from #17?

17 posted on 12/09/2012 1:44:08 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: WilliamIII; P-Marlowe; Girlene; Forest Keeper

This isn’t really about gay marriage as much as it’s about whether voters can vote a particular definition of marriage and then have it overturned by a court.

Isn’t that the case they took up?

Seems to me that there are plenty of gay marriage votes in other states that Kennedy has not seen fit to challenge, so it really isn’t about whether those are constitutional.

Is it possible for a court to overturn a properly held vote of the people? Am I wrong on this....that this is not that case?


18 posted on 12/09/2012 1:47:42 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
This isn’t really about gay marriage as much as it’s about whether voters can vote a particular definition of marriage and then have it overturned by a court.

Correctamundo!

When courts substitute their social constructs for those passed by the people via their reps, the courts strike at the very foundation of our revolution and fifty republics. Meaning, no law can be legitimate without our consent. No d@mn court has proper power to impose that which 5,000 years of western civilization has regarded as perverse.

19 posted on 12/09/2012 1:57:31 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

Doh!

I’m a researcher and I’ve been flubbing numbers lately. Gonna have to recheck all the calculations from the last couple weeks!

Make that Federalist #78.

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa78.htm

...The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments...


20 posted on 12/09/2012 1:59:42 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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