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This Is Why You Never, Ever Break Into a Boxer’s Home
http://www.theblaze.com ^ | December 10, 2012 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 12/11/2012 6:15:25 AM PST by BO Stinkss

A suspected burglar got more than he could handle when he attempted to break into an Oklahoma City home, which ended up being inhabited by a boxing and kickboxing trainer — and apparently a good one.

Jonathan Wise, 19, was arrested earlier this month with two black and bloodshot eyes and in need of stitches for other injuries. He reportedly tried to rob the home of Norm Houston, according to police.

“I heard a thumbing noise on my garage door,” Houston told KFOR. “I swung open my back door and somebody was standing there.”

Wise, the suspected burglar, probably could have escaped injury and fled but he instead took a swing at Houston. It turned out to be a big mistake as this mugshot shows:

You know I ain’t the toughest, but I can hold my own,” Houston said.

Houston reportedly held the robber on the ground until the police arrived. Wise was later charged with burglary and taken to jail — after he went to the hospital for treatment of course.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: asswhupin; sourcetitlenoturl
A nice heartwarming Christmas story.
1 posted on 12/11/2012 6:15:33 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: BO Stinkss
Houston reportedly held the robber on the ground until the police arrived.

I'm waiting for the FReepers who tell us that the right thing to do in this situation is to: (a) murder the burglar and (b) not call the police, to come onto the thread and criticize Norm Houston.

2 posted on 12/11/2012 6:18:59 AM PST by wideawake
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To: BO Stinkss

his eye looks worse than Rocky.

(”cut me Mick..”)


3 posted on 12/11/2012 6:19:28 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: wideawake

If the burglar is unarmed, Mr. Houston did the right thing. If the burglar had a weapon then, (a)murder the burglar is the correct answer.

Always call the police. Unless you live in a Blue state. More problems then it is worth. Better off throwing the corpse in the trunk and dropping him off somewhere.


4 posted on 12/11/2012 6:24:11 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: wideawake

In the situation given it would be impossible to murder the assailent.


5 posted on 12/11/2012 6:27:45 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: BO Stinkss

Apparently he was NOT a Wise Ass. Just an Ass.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EQAndyBuzz
If the burglar had a weapon then, (a)murder the burglar is the correct answer.

Incorrect. The answer is: shoot the burglar until he stops resisting.

My comment was related to some threads which postulated that once a burglar is subdued and is completely at your mercy, it is OK to then kill him.

7 posted on 12/11/2012 6:37:56 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

In all fairness, in this case, this should be considered self-defense first and foremost, above burglary.

Had this martial arts coach been an elderly or infirm or just unlucky person, a punch to the face most certainly could have been fatal. This changes the complexion of the event considerably, from burglary to attempted murder, or at least aggravated assault.

And it most certainly is reasonable to use lethal force to defend yourself against such an attack.

The martial arts instructor is blameless in this case, as he was surprised by the burglar, who then attacked him, and he had only his hands and feet as quickly available weapons, which he used to great effect. And had he used lethal blows on the burglar, resulting in his demise, in the context of the fight, he would have been blameless.

He chose otherwise, and that is also a respectable choice.

Granted a serious felon may, after all is said and done, cost the taxpayers some $2m for his arrest, trial and incarceration for say 15 years; and by sparing the public such an expense with just a few inexpensive lead pellets, an honest citizen should be lauded.


8 posted on 12/11/2012 6:39:56 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Durus
In the situation given it would be impossible to murder the assailent.

Mr. Houston had the burglar completely at his mercy. He was certainly physically capable of murdering the helpless burglar, but he refrained and called police instead - demonstrating uprightness in addition to great physical courage.

9 posted on 12/11/2012 6:39:56 AM PST by wideawake
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To: BO Stinkss
The burglar's name was Jonathan Wise? Ironic.
10 posted on 12/11/2012 6:42:25 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And it most certainly is reasonable to use lethal force to defend yourself against such an attack.

Could not agree more. This is an almost perfect example of a situation in which that very principle best applies.

And had he used lethal blows on the burglar, resulting in his demise, in the context of the fight, he would have been blameless.

Exactly right.

11 posted on 12/11/2012 6:45:37 AM PST by wideawake
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To: BO Stinkss

Martial arts skill is a weapon that they can’t take away from you. If daily exercise is a part of your life, practice an exercise that may save your life, and give you increased flexibility and health in your old age. That’s my spiel.


12 posted on 12/11/2012 6:48:04 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: wideawake
I'm waiting for the FReepers who tell us that the right thing to do in this situation is to: (a) murder the burglar and (b) not call the police...or (c) do call the police but be sure to put a knife in the hands of the burglar and then drag the body inside. As we all know, no CSI could figure out what really happened.
13 posted on 12/11/2012 6:52:21 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: fattigermaster

Reminds me of the story of the two muggers in NYC who tried to rob ex-boxing champ Rocky Graziano. Graziano was in his fifties at the time and well past retirement. He still knocked the two stone cold. I saw a video of Archie Moore sparring when he was in his seventies. His hands were still lightning fast, and if it was your face in front of those fists, you’d be going down.


14 posted on 12/11/2012 6:59:13 AM PST by driftless2
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To: wideawake

“My comment was related to some threads which postulated that once a burglar is subdued and is completely at your mercy, it is OK to then kill him.”

Once a burglar is subdued, that’s it. At that point shooting him for the sake of it is murder. I know some postulate that and in instances where the burglar is armed, it becomes an emotional issue. (He brought a gun into my house, I shot him, wounded him and now the police can have him)

Some would argue that, (he brought a gun into my house which means his intention was to kill my family and I, so regardless if I subdue him or not, he doesn’t deserve to live and I am going to put a bullet in his brain.)

If the burglar is armed, he is not leaving my property alive. End of story.


15 posted on 12/11/2012 7:01:53 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: OldPossum

It’s amazing how the same bad advice gets continually passed around, right?


16 posted on 12/11/2012 7:02:04 AM PST by wideawake
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Just to clarify, “Once a burglar is subdued, that’s it. At that point shooting him for the sake of it is murder” is assuming the burglar was unarmed.


17 posted on 12/11/2012 7:06:22 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Once a burglar is subdued, that’s it. At that point shooting him for the sake of it is murder.

Agree.

18 posted on 12/11/2012 7:15:39 AM PST by wideawake
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To: BO Stinkss

I watched part of “Macgiver” on TV last night. Saw an old acquaintance of mine - Randall “Tex” Cobb - kick box the crap out of a couple of thugs in an alley. Randall didn’t need to “act” to do that stuff, either. Really a sweet guy and funny as hell, but I’d hate to be some fool who thought a guy like that could be mugged or the victim of a burglary if he caught you in his house.


19 posted on 12/11/2012 7:20:45 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: wideawake

I always love a story with a happy ending.


20 posted on 12/11/2012 7:34:48 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: BO Stinkss

tune up ping.


21 posted on 12/11/2012 7:43:59 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: BO Stinkss

Looks like Jonathan needs to reassess his career choice. However, I kind of doubt one bad experience will dash his ambitions. A little jail to rework the business plan and network with his new friends will be all it takes to make him a better criminal.


22 posted on 12/11/2012 7:57:39 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: wideawake; EQAndyBuzz
My comment was related to some threads which postulated that once a burglar is subdued and is completely at your mercy, it is OK to then kill him.

Please show links to those threads. I have never seen a thread on FR in which FReepers endorsed killing a burglary suspect as they lay helpless on the ground.

23 posted on 12/11/2012 8:01:30 AM PST by calex59
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To: BO Stinkss
,
,
,
OR

24 posted on 12/11/2012 8:03:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: calex59
I endorse it.

This marks your first example.

I'm special.

25 posted on 12/11/2012 8:05:43 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: wideawake

Murder the burglar.


26 posted on 12/11/2012 8:06:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

“I’m special”...

in a “short bus” way... :)


27 posted on 12/11/2012 8:07:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“a thumbing noise”

Well,,, evidently the “suspect” had a dangerous thumb!


28 posted on 12/11/2012 8:09:23 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: MrB
No, more in this way:

The third phrase the cat says.

29 posted on 12/11/2012 8:10:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

Love it.


30 posted on 12/11/2012 8:11:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Lazamataz

For some reason, I don’t think it’s wise to click on a youtube link from Lazamataz at work... :)

Maybe it’s just me.


31 posted on 12/11/2012 8:12:16 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: calex59

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2963687/posts?page=71


32 posted on 12/11/2012 8:13:38 AM PST by wideawake
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To: MrB

It’s okay. Click it.


33 posted on 12/11/2012 8:14:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: calex59

Post 99 on that thread is a particularly good example of the “logic” some were using.


34 posted on 12/11/2012 8:15:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I’m waiting for certain FReepers to come on and state that Houston went to far and with his kick boxing and boxing credentials, went to far and the burglar should sue him for everything he’s got. /s


35 posted on 12/11/2012 8:20:02 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Lazamataz; calex59

I endorse it
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Endorse yes, after the fact. You enter MY home (uninvited) you are subject to MY rules and the outcome may not be to your liking.
While I may not condone the outright ‘murder’ of a downed armed interloper, I surely am not wont to condemn or even chastise the actions of the resident vs the intruder.

Like the man says ‘Unless you have been there, done that, no telling what you will do, it all depends on the circumstance’


36 posted on 12/11/2012 8:24:56 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: BO Stinkss

37 posted on 12/11/2012 8:26:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: wideawake; Lazamataz
Another burglar story (Laz would hit her too).
38 posted on 12/11/2012 8:51:26 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Heh. If title fights lasted 30 rounds, Cobb would have been world champ for years. He gives a good interview, too.


39 posted on 12/11/2012 9:00:47 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: BO Stinkss

I love a story with a happy ending!


40 posted on 12/11/2012 9:10:26 AM PST by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-6-12 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: calex59
Do a search about the Pharmacist that was convicted of murder for killing an kid who tried to rob him. He shot the kid in the head, knocking him out. He then turned his back on the unconscious perp to get another gun then came back to shoot him dead while he laid there helpless. A number of people did not think he should have been convicted of anything, but one person in particular (Red in Blue PA) was adamant that murderer should have been given a medal and a ticker tape parade.
41 posted on 12/11/2012 11:04:14 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: wideawake
Holding someone down is not the same thing as having someone at your mercy exactly but I see your point.

My point was that when the assailant tried to punch him, had the homeowner responded with deadly force it would not have been murder.

42 posted on 12/11/2012 11:27:32 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
My point was that when the assailant tried to punch him, had the homeowner responded with deadly force it would not have been murder.

I agree.

43 posted on 12/11/2012 11:32:14 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Indeed, it is. It would seem to me that upon ten seconds of reflection one would figure out that no CSI would be fooled by the movement of a body.


44 posted on 12/11/2012 3:38:07 PM PST by OldPossum
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