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To: xzins; surfer; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl

Again you miss the point entirely.

Here is the point.

We shouldn’t want the government involved in any of this, not traditional marriage, not any kind of marriage.

That is the point, when you look to the government for an answer or a solution then you “might” get some short-term relief (of course it will be a compromise to start with because that is politics - no one is happy) but ultimately it always back-fires as we push for the government to make a stand on traditional marriage and we think we have won and then down the road - the very thing we did to get a stand on traditional marriage is used against us to destroy it.

They literally do this every single time.

The ONLY answer to save this Republic is to get government OUT of our private lives. That means everything. Get out of our health-care, get out of my God given rights, etc...

But to have freedom and liberty means we need to tolerate things we don’t like or care for or even don’t believe. That is where God comes in, those people that choose the wrong path will have their reckoning and we really need to leave it to God because it will NEVER work for us having the government shoving this crap down our throats.

You want to see where ALL of this is going, take some time and research the UN Agenda 21 and then go to your local town meetings, planning and zoning and you will see Agenda 21 being implemented right NOW in your neighborhood.


267 posted on 12/11/2012 4:25:36 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer; xzins; wagglebee; wmfights; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl

Libertarians such as yourself live in a pie in the sky fantasy world that has never happened and never will. You mix fedgov forced health care in with “getting gov out of our private lives”.

Murders are often committed in private, incest and rape often happen in private bedrooms, torture of animals occurs often to the animals people own, and on their own property. People, on their own property, often burn toxic garbage that belongs to them, rather than pay to take it to the dump. These actions are all “private lives” issues.

Libertarians pretend that the government - whether fed, state, county, municipal, or whatever - can remain entirely “values neutral”. This is as much an impossibility as a human being remaining “values neutral”. There is no such thing as values neutral any more than there can be a time of day which is not day and not night and not becoming one or the other.

There is good, there is evil. There is right, there is wrong. No government, of any size or shape, or any human being, who can stay in the play pretend land in between good and evil. It is a philosophical mental masturbation game that can exist only in fantasies in peoples’ minds; it is another ridiculous utopian “ideal” that joins the ranks of all the other utopian philosophies; each and every one of which has failed, since the beginning of time.


270 posted on 12/11/2012 4:39:03 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: surfer; wagglebee; wmfights; C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; Alamo-Girl
Surfer, it appears you did not address the most basic reason for government.

It is DEFENSE.

If the nation is vulnerable militarily, then the point of government is to defend it. An opposing army is too big for one individual to take on himself. For that reason, we band together to fight enemies.

Disease has long been recognized as a government-level battle, and is similar in every way to the fight against military invasion and conquest.

Disease -- biological, social, and spiritual -- are all repugnant, but we forget sometimes the rational bases of some of our social and spiritual prohibitions. They have been rejected in the past because they are danger.

Homosexuality should be fought everywhere.

we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, ...., we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old. -- Winston Churchill, June 1940

272 posted on 12/11/2012 4:47:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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