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Smoking Pot and Tying the Knot
Townhall.com ^ | December 12, 2012 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 12/12/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by Kaslin

Last Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed for the first time to take on the issue of gay marriage. No matter how it rules in the two cases it will hear next spring, polling data suggest it is only a matter of time before legal recognition of same-sex unions is the norm throughout the country.

Something similar is happening with marijuana, which became legal in Washington last week and in Colorado on Monday. With both pot and gay marriage, familiarity is breeding tolerance.

The cases before the Supreme Court deal with popular reactions against gay marriage: the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a 1996 law that barred the federal government from recognizing state-licensed gay marriages, and Proposition 8, a 2008 ballot initiative that amended California's Constitution to eliminate same-sex couples' right to marry, which the California Supreme Court had recognized that year. But something interesting happened after those measures passed: Surveys now indicate that most Americans support gay marriage.

The turnaround was remarkably fast. A 1996 Gallup poll found that 27 percent of Americans thought same-sex marriages should be "recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages"; by last year, that number had nearly doubled. Recent surveys by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN also put support for gay marriage above 50 percent.

Striking generational differences mean these numbers will continue to rise. In a CBS News poll last month, 72 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds supported gay marriage, compared to 53 percent of 30- to 44-year-olds, 44 percent of 45- to 64-year-olds and 33 percent of respondents who were 65 or older.

The consequences of these changing attitudes could be seen in last month's election results. For the first time ever, gay marriage was legalized by popular referendum -- not in one state, but in three: Maine, Maryland and Washington. Voters in a fourth state, Minnesota, rejected an initiative that would have amended the state constitution to prohibit gay marriage (which is already banned there by statute).

On the same day, voters in Colorado and Washington approved ballot measures aimed at legalizing the cultivation, possession and sale of marijuana for recreational use. The initiatives won by surprisingly healthy margins of about 10 points in both states, in contrast with a California legalization measure that lost by 7 points two years ago.

Nationwide support for marijuana legalization, like nationwide support for gay marriage, has increased dramatically, although not quite as swiftly, rising from 12 percent in a 1969 Gallup poll to a record 50 percent last year. While support for legalization dipped a bit during the anti-pot backlash of the Just Say No era, it began rising again in the 1990s. Public Policy Polling recently put it at 58 percent, the highest level ever recorded.

With pot as with gay marriage, there are clear age-related differences, reflecting different levels of experience with marijuana. In the CBS News survey, support for legalization was 54 percent among 18- to 29-year-olds, 53 percent among 30- to 44-year-olds, 46 percent among 45- to 64-year-olds and 30 percent among respondents of retirement age.

Just as an individual's attitude toward gay people depends to a large extent on how many he knows (or, more to the point, realizes he knows), his attitude toward pot smokers (in particular, his opinion about whether they should be treated like criminals) is apt to be influenced by his personal experience with them. Americans younger than 65, even if they have never smoked pot, probably know people who have, and that kind of firsthand knowledge provides an important reality check on the government's anti-pot propaganda.

Another clear pattern in both of these areas: Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to oppose legalizing gay marriage and marijuana. Yet Republicans are also more likely to oppose federal interference with state policy choices. In light of DOMA's disregard for state marriage laws and the Obama administration's threats to prevent Colorado and Washington from allowing marijuana sales, now is put-up-or-shut-up time for the GOP's avowed federalists.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; homosexualagenda; marijuana; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: stuartcr
"Last Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed for the first time to take on the issue of gay marriage. No matter how it rules in the two cases it will hear next spring, polling data suggest it is only a matter of time before legal recognition of same-sex unions is the norm throughout the country."

Don't play games with me, troll. Your next post defending the above statement may be your last.

51 posted on 12/12/2012 9:42:42 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: joe fonebone

Of course I know libertarians, too many of them, I prefer conservatives, and was smart enough in 1975 to catch the leftism of the libertarians.

They are behind conservative lines fighting for social engineering everywhere, they are the commandos of the left, advancing the agenda and erasing conservatism, blurring the lines with a new vocabulary, even Mitt Romney adopted it to justify his radical leftism.


52 posted on 12/12/2012 9:43:43 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Kaslin

It’s always interesting to hear a liberal react to the idea of pot legalization. Their first words always include “regulate” and “tax”. I think that deep down, their support for gay marriage is really just based on the instinct of wanting a way to tax and regulate same sex relationships.


53 posted on 12/12/2012 9:45:12 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: Jim Robinson

Please, tell me the words I used that are in defense of that statement? If you explain, then I will know what not to say. What should I have said?

I’ve been here long enough for you to know that I don’t defend anything other than my own personal beliefs about weapons and my faith.


54 posted on 12/12/2012 9:48:14 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

“These two issues aren’t that important”

Don’t be an idiot.


55 posted on 12/12/2012 9:54:12 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: ansel12
libertarians [...] are behind conservative lines fighting for social engineering everywhere

Substance bans are social engineering - it was Progressives who pushed for alcohol Prohibition - and just as that social engineering failed, the social engineering of current drug bans is failing in all the same ways.

56 posted on 12/12/2012 9:55:50 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: xzins

That is the funniest thing I have read all week! Thank you for sharing.


57 posted on 12/12/2012 9:58:26 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Libertarians are also very devoted to promoting acceptance of the homosexual agenda at every level.

Social Engineering on a massive scale, tearing at the deepest roots of human existence.

Yep, that’s the liberaltarians.


58 posted on 12/12/2012 9:59:15 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Resolute Conservative
You cannot fight a war on drugs where 90% of them are imported

Where is the evidence that 90% of drugs are imported?

without closing the border.

Since drugs can be hidden in legal imported goods, how do you propose we close the border to that traffic without bringing all importation to a grinding halt?

59 posted on 12/12/2012 10:00:28 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: stuartcr
That is where you do err. These two issues are extremely important to Americans. To the majoority of traitors and parasites that put the muslim back in the White House,maybe not.

No Nation has survive when, as November 6, 2012 demonstrated, the majority is made up of traitors and parasites.

60 posted on 12/12/2012 10:03:52 AM PST by sport
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To: Jim Robinson

‘I think the turn-arounds seem fast because to most Americans, these two issues aren’t that important’

Why didn’t you include the entire sentence?

I’m a little taken aback, that you took that part out of my statement to use as somehow thinking I am defending anything, whether it’s pot or gay marriage. That is certainly not what I meant or even how bramps understood it in #33.


61 posted on 12/12/2012 10:04:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: sport

I guess I should have said it’s not important to those people that I actually know. My bad, Sorry.

Is this what Jim is upset about, because I said Americans instead of those Americans that I know and talk with?


62 posted on 12/12/2012 10:08:23 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The article discusses homosexual marriage, libertarians fully embrace the homosexual agenda.

Adoption, “marriage”, the military, everything.


63 posted on 12/12/2012 10:12:21 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: stuartcr

Could be.


64 posted on 12/12/2012 10:21:21 AM PST by sport
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To: xzins

Now that thar is FUNNY, xzins!


65 posted on 12/12/2012 10:23:26 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Jim Robinson
 

If your personal observations include defending the homosexual agenda (or any other liberal/socialist/Marxist cause), then you may find your welcome here running out, just as many other atheists and liberaltarians have.

Now, we're getting somewhere. Jim, I'm sure you've noticed my tagline over the years. I've taken tons of grief over it from libs who argue for legalized dope. Yet, we see silence from these same liberals when it comes to other libertarian agendas like pro-abortion and pro-gay marriages. Why is that?

lolol

I think we all know the answer is that these clowns would be zotted in a heartbeat if they progress from pro-dope to pro-abortions.

Yet the Libertarian agenda is advancing. Even here at FR. I'm sure you saw that Glenn Beck thread from yesterday where Beck endorsed gay marriages. And how many FReepers approved Beck's message? It was sickening to see that. Here at Free Republic.

I wish to God you would take a stand and zot the pro-dope libertarians here at FR. But you (to date) have not. Just understand that these libs are cagey. They get away with their pro-dope agenda, but remain quiet (for now) on their pro-abortion and pro-gay marraige issues because they know they will get the zot.

 

66 posted on 12/12/2012 10:38:07 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kaslin

Islamists want polygamy.

It will be sold as civil rights and religious freedom.

And the enslavement of women will have been completed.


67 posted on 12/12/2012 10:44:10 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (BOHICA eGOP!)
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To: mbarker12474

I don’t know where you are but No Smoking in Restaurant has been around for years, and frankly having to look at filthy ashtrays with filthy cigarettes while you are trying to eat is more then I can stomach


68 posted on 12/12/2012 10:45:04 AM PST by Kaslin ( One Big Ass Mistake America (Make that Two))
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To: ansel12
Substance bans are social engineering - it was Progressives who pushed for alcohol Prohibition - and just as that social engineering failed, the social engineering of current drug bans is failing in all the same ways.

The article discusses homosexual marriage,

And also discusses marijuana prohibition - it's even in the title.

libertarians fully embrace the homosexual agenda.

And who embraces the social engineering that is marijuana prohibition?

69 posted on 12/12/2012 10:53:24 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: bramps

And it’s a far cry from alcohol. You can have a drink or two and still think rationally. Once you are stoned, even a little bit stoned, your mindset completely changes. And not for the better.

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Why is it that some folks see alcohol use as a spectrum (drink a little, minimal impact - drink a lot, major impact) but think pot is like a light switch, on or off, and once on, you were all in?

Bramps, when you smoked pot, did you never notice that if you took just a hit or two off the joint the impact was considerably less than if you burned the big fatty all by yourself?


70 posted on 12/12/2012 11:01:18 AM PST by dmz
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
The article discusses homosexual marriage, libertarians fully embrace the homosexual agenda.

Adoption, “marriage”, the military, everything.

Gay Marriage EMBRACED BY LIBERTARIANS, THE ENTIRE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, PART OF THE LIBERTARIAN AGENDA OF SOCIAL ENGINEERING.

71 posted on 12/12/2012 11:02:22 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: ansel12
Why didn't you answer my simple question: Who embraces the social engineering that is marijuana prohibition?
72 posted on 12/12/2012 11:08:00 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Well, if nothing else common sense. There is no poppy and coca plants being grown in this country that could deliver the demand. The occasional MJ grow you find on private property and national forests also is logistically incapable of delivering the amount of product used. Also, the precursor chemical regulations basically dried up the old style meth labs and the ephedrine labs you see at homes and hotels also cannot deliver in bulk.

That is where the increase in government in the form of customs and border patrol in lieu of Dept of Education, EPA, and DOE mutts is acceptable. IMO. They would be focused outward instead of looking inward at us.


73 posted on 12/12/2012 11:10:16 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: mbarker12474

Here in Washington state smoking in bars and restaurants was banned about five years ago. I think they are starting to ban it in apartment houses and parks. I don’t smoke so do not follow that closely.

But we did legalize pot. Of course, that is also banned in bars and restaurants and parks. Do not know about apartment buildings.


74 posted on 12/12/2012 11:21:04 AM PST by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

LOL, I’m not here to answer your questions and feed your single minded obsession.

I’m against the radical leftist social engineering of the libertarians, and their embracing of the homosexual agenda.


75 posted on 12/12/2012 11:21:12 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: ansel12

You raise excellent points. I add a big ol’ dittoes to what you post.

It’s just your posting to that nannies person is cracking me up.

He is a one note wonder. With a one track mind. The only reason he posts anything is to push legal dope. And you are better off talking to a brick wall than to argue with him on other critical issues. Hell, even arguing with him about any down-side to dangerous drugs? Waste of time. He is for legalizing all that crap regardless of the damage and harm it does.


76 posted on 12/12/2012 11:22:18 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Resolute Conservative
The occasional MJ grow you find on private property and national forests also is logistically incapable of delivering the amount of product used.

As I pointed out to you a few days ago:

'"Domestically grown cannabis accounted for 10 percent of all marijuana consumed in 1980, and increased to about 25 percent in 1992, despite the efforts of the Program. The potency of cultivated marijuana has also increased significantly as a result of modern agricultural methods and techniques." - http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/DEA/a9520.htm

'The American entrepreneurial spirit can easily replace any reduction in imported supply.'

Since drugs can be hidden in legal imported goods, how do you propose we close the border to that traffic without bringing all importation to a grinding halt?

That is where the increase in government in the form of customs and border patrol in lieu of Dept of Education, EPA, and DOE mutts is acceptable. IMO.

So you think just shifting those resources will let us examine a significant fraction of all imported items?

77 posted on 12/12/2012 11:32:34 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: ansel12
Why didn't you answer my simple question: Who embraces the social engineering that is marijuana prohibition?

I’m not here to answer your questions

Got it, coward.

I’m against the radical leftist social engineering of the libertarians

But you're OK with the radical social engineering of the prohibitionists. Got it, hypocrite.

78 posted on 12/12/2012 11:37:33 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

25% is not 100% that is not enough. Spotting large commercial type MJ grows from the air is an easy task. No way the entrepreneurial spirit can provide that amount without large outdoor grows. Large greenhouses that utilize massive energy and generate heat are also easily detected.

Yes, it is a start. If it slows down Chinese made crap so what? Little Johnny will have to wait a few more days for his iPod of gangsta rap. If it increases our efficiency on curbing that imported product(s) sure and a side effect is better screening for trojan horse weapons by infiltrators.


79 posted on 12/12/2012 11:42:41 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Responsibility2nd
The only reason he posts anything is to push legal dope. And you are better off talking to a brick wall than to argue with him on other critical issues. Hell, even arguing with him about any down-side to dangerous drugs? Waste of time.

You should have the minimal decency to ping me when repeating your already-rebutted lies about me.

To repeat:

My position on the down-side to dangerous drugs:

"My recommendation to others is to use none of these harmful substances, just as I myself use none of them." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2956184/posts?page=85#85)

Some of my other subjects of interest:

post #37: "Vanity--Spin off of Another Thread--What Is Your Fav Christmas Music?" (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2964512/posts?page=37#37)

post #29: "Poll: Should the US defend Israel..." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2964263/posts?page=29#29)

post #28: "Hope Solo’s fiance arrested before wedding" (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2959442/posts?page=28#28)

post #27: "Washington Bishops Seek Stronger Catechesis After Same-sex Marriage Vote" (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2957486/posts?page=27#27)

80 posted on 12/12/2012 11:44:22 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: Resolute Conservative
25% is not 100%

Read much? That 25% figure was from 20 years ago - and was rising.

that is not enough.

"Enough" for what?

Spotting large commercial type MJ grows from the air is an easy task. No way the entrepreneurial spirit can provide that amount without large outdoor grows. Large greenhouses that utilize massive energy and generate heat are also easily detected.

Since the government had minimal impact on 25% there's no reason to expect it to have much more impact on a 4-fold increase.

Yes, it is a start. If it slows down Chinese made crap so what?

So you'd happily shut down importation to pursue your jihad? Do have the decency to not pretend to be a conservative.

81 posted on 12/12/2012 11:49:17 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Enough to supply the demand. MJ use is in the tonnage not pounds.

It had minimal increase because of budget constraints on aircraft fuel and manpower. Try participating in a domestic eradication effort with limited manpower and aircraft resources before you try and opine about it.

“Do have the decency to not pretend to be a conservative” Yes the throw down from a judge who presides over nanny state cases. Pot meet kettle. Once the derision starts I can see that you do not want to discuss so bang the gavel, case closed. In closing I spent 14 years in the WOD and the only problem was the judges and lack of manpower. Not enough hours in the day to chase all the degenerates and tend to other crimes as well.


82 posted on 12/12/2012 12:10:17 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

While I believe a “closed border will help, and is advisable, I do not believe a “closed border” will resolve all issues with the WOD. In the past 5-7 years, I’ve seen an explosion of heroin abuse among our young adults. It’s reached epidemic proportions. The heroin is coming from Afghanistan. Why? Because we are there. I’ll bet there are, in theory, more strict controls over what comes and goes from Afghanistan than with any “closed” border for a neighboring country.

This reason alone is sufficient for me to say that we need to leave Afghanistan. Now. Our presence there is subsidizing the drug trade.


83 posted on 12/12/2012 12:21:14 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Resolute Conservative
MJ use is in the tonnage not pounds.

As is domestic production.

It had minimal increase because of budget constraints on aircraft fuel and manpower.

Yet another of your claims with no accompanying evidence.

So you'd happily shut down importation to pursue your jihad? Do have the decency to not pretend to be a conservative.

Yes the throw down from a judge who presides over nanny state cases. Pot meet kettle.

What are you babbling about?

Once the derision starts

Unconservative is as unconservative does. Have a hankie.

I can see that you do not want to discuss so bang the gavel, case closed.

You're the one apparently preparing to flee the discussion.

In closing I spent 14 years in the WOD and the only problem was the judges and lack of manpower.

The manpower needed to really win the War On Drugs would bankrupt us and turn us into a police state. Conservatives oppose that sort of thing.

84 posted on 12/12/2012 12:32:36 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: henkster

Yep our boys are walking through poppy fields with orders not to touch.


85 posted on 12/12/2012 12:41:22 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: blueunicorn6
Using illegal drugs to escape from reality is cowardice. Attempting to escape from reality also has another name.....insanity.

What about using a couple Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPAs to escape reality, albeit briefly?

I do that regularly after a day of dealing with the rest of humanity.

Does that make me a coward?

Because I really think I'm doing humanity a favor. Sometimes I think that's all that's keeping me from climbing clock tower with a rifle.

86 posted on 12/12/2012 1:06:57 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: xzins

“We were just interpreting it wrong.”

LOL! Seriously! still chuckling..


87 posted on 12/12/2012 1:15:33 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: ansel12
I've been thinking on what you said re. smoking, and I've figured out why the libertarians are less insistent upon rolling back the smoking bans. Here's my take on why:
  1. The second-hand-smoking issue complicates things. Now, I know that the experiments are often set up to reach the politically correct conclusion. But, unlike with global warming, there isn't an active community of skeptics that recurrently debunk the findings. Junk science second-hand-smoke studies may be, but you not only have to prove it, you also have to have an active community (including scientists) rallying to the cause. (And even then it's tough, as the global-warming issue has shown.) There's been no Climategate in second-hand smoke studies. And, if it proves that second-hand-smoke does cause deleterious effects, then second-hand smoke would have to be pegged as a kind of pollution (aggression) by libertarians.
  2. Smokers may complain but are nevertheless obedient. There's no open cadre of smokers that flout the smoking ban. That's very much unlike Prohibition, where the Volstead Act was frequently and openly broken. Laws that are openly flouted over a wide swath of society (not just in the projects!) are perceived to have something wrong with them.
  3. Despite recent attempts to obliterate the distinction, there's still a hard difference between the civil law and the criminal law. In everyday life, that means a hard distinction between a fine and jail time. That's why laws like speeding laws are regularly flouted but aren't the centre of a mass movement to repeal. If you get a traffic ticket, it's almost like getting a tax bill. The only people who go to court over those tickets are people who want to fight them. No jail time is directly involved. The lawmakers have really picked their spots on traffic laws: the only jailable offenses are ones that either involve outright aggression, have been credibly depicted as tantamount to outright aggression, or represent driving that's typically reckless. For the rest, it's little more than forking over the money. Same goes for the anti-smoking laws.
What I'm trying to get across is that the marijuana laws are low-hanging fruit for libertarian activists. There's no cluster of studies that say second-hand marijuana smoke causes damage to someone else, so there's no widely-claimed third-party effects to complicate the issue. The marijuana laws are widely flouted, including in middle-class circuits: a law that's widely disregarded by people who are law-abiding at heart is easy to cast as too strict. Combine that with jail time, not just a ticket, and you conjure up the image of (otherwise) law-abiding people being hauled off to the hoosegow and Bubba. What's made marijuana repeal do-able is the fact that the typical marijuana user does not show the behaviour patterns of the typical criminal - just as the typical illegal drinker in the Prohibition era did not show those patterns either. This last point is important. You may have noticed that libertarians are for open borders at the theoretical level, but they're for a lot of things at the theoretical level. In terms of activism, they haven't been pushing amnesty. Had their mission in life solely been to festoon libertarianism with liberal glamour, they would have. But, for now anyway, little Pedro is doing without them.

One of the main reasons why the Brits' mercantilist laws were seen as tyrannical in the American colonies was the fact that many people made their living through smuggling - and were men of integrity. In other words, they were the opposite of the stereotypical "black marketeer." Their inner integrity was enough to impress their fellow Americans into seeing the laws as unjust. If there's any point that's decisive in re unjust laws, it would be this one. People who are law-abiding through and through, but who nevertheless break a specific law, put the question mark on the law itself. Smokers, on the other hand, are obedient, so the question mark remains unput. Sort-of like the TSA.

And, I should add, libertarian support for repealing prostitution laws was stuck in the theoretical bubble until the trade itself became gentrified. As long as "what about the pimps?" is a decisive question, even a libertarian recognizes that there's no point in pressing the issue with activism.

To sum up, the behaviour of all-too-many marijuana smokers themselves, combined with the severity of the marijuana laws, make repeal a winning issue. If FedGov were stupid enough to make possession of a handgun a jailable offense, you can bet that there'd be a bevy of libertarian activists agitating for repeal. That issue would be even more of a winner than repeal of the marijuana laws.

That said, winning on repeal would be a major notch in the belt for libertarian activists. Winning encourages them, perhaps enough to throw some muscle behind the repeal of those smoking prohibitions and other "health n' safety" neoPuritanism.

88 posted on 12/12/2012 2:42:11 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Responsibility2nd
It’s just your posting to that nannies person is cracking me up.

He is a one note wonder. With a one track mind. The only reason he posts anything is to push legal dope. And you are better off talking to a brick wall than to argue with him on other critical issues. Hell, even arguing with him about any down-side to dangerous drugs? Waste of time. He is for legalizing all that crap regardless of the damage and harm it does.

No kidding, drugs, drugs, drugs.

89 posted on 12/12/2012 3:05:59 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: danielmryan

Pot smoke can actually drug you, and stinks to high heaven.

Also, the tobacco bans are on beaches and in parks.


90 posted on 12/12/2012 3:17:28 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: danielmryan

Silly nonsense, prostitution has been “gentrified”? Libertarians have avoided it because of the “pimp” issue?

What a long rambling post that said nothing worthwhile and little to nothing accurate.


91 posted on 12/12/2012 3:20:53 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: ansel12

Post 90 was in regards to your overlooking second hand smoke of pot, and not realizing that smoking bans also include the vast outdoors and beaches.


92 posted on 12/12/2012 3:29:04 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: ansel12
Your opinion, pal. Lotsa luck with your own activism.
93 posted on 12/12/2012 3:40:07 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: dmz

Because there is a giant difference. My point was clear. Do you still smoke pot? Why or why not? Have any kids? When they’re of legal drinking age would you consider buying them a beer? How about a joint (within the safe, legal confines of your home)? Would you share a couple of beers with your son or daughter? How about a joint with junior?
These questions should not bother you at all if you equate pot with alcohol.


94 posted on 12/12/2012 3:59:18 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: danielmryan

Conservative activism? Thanks.


95 posted on 12/12/2012 4:00:44 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: xzins

Have to admit, it’s funny....

Humor is needed even in the worst of times.


96 posted on 12/12/2012 4:08:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ansel12

it has a name and number.....but I
Drugs, porn, abortion, hookers, are what drives the libertarian crowd.


You left out faggotry. They’re big on that, too.


97 posted on 12/12/2012 4:23:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: xzins
It all makes sense now. Gay marriage & marijuana being legalized on the same day. Leviticus 20:13- "If a man lays with another man he should be stoned." We were just interpreting it wrong.

Now THATS funny! God and His sense of humor! Priceless!

98 posted on 12/12/2012 6:18:58 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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Conservative activism? Thanks.

Well then...good luck. To be frank, you have your own way and having the likes of me on board would likely be an impediment to you. Again, best of luck. Goodbye and Godspeed.

99 posted on 12/12/2012 7:19:01 PM PST by danielmryan
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Because there is a giant difference. My point was clear.

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Yes, your unsubstantiated opinion was quite clear. A story oft told, in fact, but mostly, like yours, personal opinion disguised as fact.

Your questions don’t bother me at all. In fact, here are the answers:

Yes. On occasion.
It can be enjoyable.
Yes. 3.
They already are, and yes, I have.
It’s never come up. Doubt it will. It’s not how they roll.
Asked and answered.
Asked and answered.

But, to be clear, I don’t equate alcohol and pot. Alcohol kills. I’ve seen it firsthand on too many occasions.

Friend’s brother killed in high school by a drunk driver.
Friend himself drank himself to death at age 39.
Another friend drank himself to death at age 49.

The potsmokers? Still alive. And like the rest of us, some are thriving, some just surviving, and most are somewhere in between.

Cheers.


100 posted on 12/13/2012 2:23:56 PM PST by dmz
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