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Transgender player attains college basketball first
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 12/14/2012

Posted on 12/15/2012 10:49:37 AM PST by Former Fetus

SANTA CLARA, Calif. — The women’s basketball team at Mission College expected the bleachers to be full and the hecklers ready when its newest player made her home court debut.

In the days leading up to the game, people had plenty to say about 6-foot-6-inch, 220-pound Gabrielle Ludwig, who joined the Lady Saints as a mid-season walk-on and became, according to advocates, the first transsexual to play college hoops as both a man and a woman.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: athletics; basketball; disorders; genderiddisorder; homosexualagenda; ncaa; transgender
Sorry for a "register to read" article. I would never register with no Chicago rag! However, the captions on the pics give a lot of amazing information: it is 50 years old, has played college basketball before, and it is a Navy veteran and a father. Now it claims to be transgender and is in the girls team!

I have a question for the NCAA: since it has played before, is it still eligible? Does changing genders increase the number of years of eligibility? Y'all are opening a can of worms here!


1 posted on 12/15/2012 10:49:44 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus
One of these things is not like the others . . .


2 posted on 12/15/2012 10:56:09 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
It looks like John Lithgow in Garp...


3 posted on 12/15/2012 10:58:46 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Former Fetus

We need a transvestite league. Moochelle can be the mascot.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 10:58:46 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Former Fetus
BTW, the poll question on this NY Daily News article“Do you think that a transgender player should be allowed to play on a women’s basketball team?”—stands at 59% No, 35% Yes and 6% Not Sure ATTOW.
5 posted on 12/15/2012 10:59:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Former Fetus

If it has a Y chromosome then it is a male. If it has a sexual desire then keep it to itself and get on with life.

There is no mushy middle and a woman’s sport has no room for males nor does a man’s sport have room for females.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 11:01:15 AM PST by soycd
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Now Moochelle can join that team


7 posted on 12/15/2012 11:01:38 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Joe 6-pack

No, John is prettier.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:59 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I forgot about that movie and how twisted things were in it—the majority of which would be considered “normal” by most libs today.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 11:06:27 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Former Fetus

My daughter would no longer be on the team or enrolled in the school. 20 year old girls showering with a 50 year old man?!!!! This is no different than Sandusky and his antics at Penn State.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 11:08:04 AM PST by albie
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To: Joe 6-pack
It's the white Moochelle!


11 posted on 12/15/2012 11:09:39 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant; a fool in paradise

Is this a dude trying to be a chick or a chick trying to be a dude? Whichever, it ain’t working!


12 posted on 12/15/2012 11:11:22 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

13 posted on 12/15/2012 11:12:44 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Former Fetus

It’s bad enough that men want to mutilate themselves to look like women and live under the delusion that they are women (and vv). Why are our children being forced to go along with their delusion?


14 posted on 12/15/2012 11:12:44 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Olog-hai; windcliff

Doed the school provide or allow for the purchase of BARF bags?


15 posted on 12/15/2012 11:13:20 AM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Former Fetus

He may be “trangendered” but he still looks like a man. It’s a man, dude!


16 posted on 12/15/2012 11:13:20 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: Former Fetus
I have a question for the NCAA: since it has played before, is it still eligible? Does changing genders increase the number of years of eligibility?

Under California law, it was able to apply for a new "It's A Baby Girl!" birth certificate once the gender change was deemed complete.

That reset the eligibility clock, at least for the division of NCAA sports in which it plays.

17 posted on 12/15/2012 11:14:39 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: UnwashedPeasant; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
We need a transvestite league. Moochelle can be the mascot.

As long as they don't play "shirts vs. skins".


18 posted on 12/15/2012 11:20:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Former Fetus

How creepy looking is that, really. Sheesh.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 11:20:46 AM PST by john drake
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To: Former Fetus

I’m sorry. If your DNA includes a Y chromosome, you have no business on a girls team.

Beyond that, this is nothing but pure societal insanity, yet another indication of things gone badly wrong.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 11:21:52 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Former Fetus
it'll make the first college girls BB dunk...
21 posted on 12/15/2012 11:23:57 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FreedomPoster

According to the local sports talk station, the NCAA does not check that female athletes actually are females (unlike the IOC).

They do check for steroids. What I was unclear on was whether the allowable testosterone level was any higher for males than for females.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 11:34:58 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Former Fetus

Talk about your selfish asshole...

If I could walk on and play a college sport, I wouldn’t do it. It’s the time of the people that age. It’s their right of passage.

If he/she/it/whatever the hell, wants to play sports, let bozo find an adult league and try out there.

What self-respecting person would try to horn in on the kids league? Here we have another gender/sexual focused narcissist doing what some of them are prone to do, seek self-gratification beyond all reason.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 11:42:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Olog-hai
One of these things is not like the others . . .

There is no way I would allow my daughter to play on a team that was forced to share a locker room with this man (I don't care what he thinks he is he is still a man and way to grown for this selfish foolishness ) I would have to take my child out of this school instantly and I sure as heck would not be paying any money to a school that did this. This is beyond abusive and it's just plain wrong to expose these young women to this.
24 posted on 12/15/2012 11:47:04 AM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Former Fetus; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

He’s not the first to change teams.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 11:47:56 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Former Fetus

Why dosn’t the story tell the truth.

They have a dickless man playing basketball with the girls.

There is no such thing as transgendered. Only mutilated human beings.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 11:53:48 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Former Fetus

The current standard, called “the Stockholm consensus,” involves that the transexual must have sex altering surgery AND hormone treatment sufficient to remove the advantage that men have relative to women in many sports. Admittedly, the second criterion involves an arbitrary cut-off point along a continuum.

One of the way stations in this evolution was the “female at birth” criterion. This rule didn’t work so well as there are some persons who actually are “intersex” at birth (quite rare). There also are others whose genetics and hormones are clearly male or female at birth but whose self-image is or becomes the other way, whom the majority in society want to accommodate.

I myself think the “female at birth” criterion combined with the Stockholm rules for those very few people people who actually are intersex would be sufficient in sports where men have a natural advantage over women.

I think the way I would accommodate transexuals in sports in which men have an advantage, is to have them compete with the males.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 11:59:28 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: DoughtyOne

Talk about your selfish asshole...

EXACTLY!


28 posted on 12/15/2012 12:03:44 PM PST by whiterhino
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To: whiterhino

Thanks. Glad we agree...


29 posted on 12/15/2012 12:05:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Smiley - Rimshot
30 posted on 12/15/2012 12:07:00 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Former Fetus
I wonder if this would be such a big deal if he/she weren't 6' 6". Incidentally, Iowa State has a female basketball player who is 6' 7" and not as dominant as you might imagine. Her name is Anna Prins.
31 posted on 12/15/2012 12:18:13 PM PST by The people have spoken
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To: scrabblehack
According to the local sports talk station, the NCAA does not check that female athletes actually are females (unlike the IOC).

The Olympics dropped routine gender verification in 1999. In fact, the IOC now allows transsexuals who have completed gender reassignment surgery (with certain qualifiers) to compete. The IAAF dropped gender verification in 1992. Both reserve the right to verify gender in individual cases, but after the Caster Semenya case . . . it's not likely, IMO.


32 posted on 12/15/2012 12:18:49 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Former Fetus

This is not a woman, but a man.

But it’s a good thing she/he plays for a woman’s basketball team, cuz it may show a few clear-thinking people that this “transgender” nonsense is not a reality.

It is not possible to change one’s sex.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 12:44:19 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Former Fetus

But I thought that men and women are really just the same. Isn’t that why they demanded to be hired as firemen, police and soldiers?

But I thought that they are really different. Isn’t that why there are separate men’s and women’s baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer, tennis etc teams?

Which is it?


34 posted on 12/15/2012 1:40:47 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Former Fetus

This person is enabled by liberal progressivism. Only with them will you find the enabling of confusion to everything and everyone.

This MAn is a MAN who is CHOOSING to be transgendered and is CHOOSING on PURPOSE to do what HE is doing. HE is NOT a SHE no matter what HE thinks., I am sickend by such people and by the liberals who not only enable them bu encourage them. I would never let my daughter near suc a MAN.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 2:29:23 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Scoutmaster

I didn’t realize that....what prompted the discussion was when Brittany Griner(sp?) from Baylor dropped out of the Olympic Team...there were some rumors she was a guy.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 2:54:56 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: scrabblehack
I don't know the full details, but competitors still have some ability to request testing of a fellow competitor, and individual athletes can be tested. Santhi Soundarajan was banned from running as a woman this summer.

How do you decide whether someone's a woman?

A month before the 2012 London Olympic Games the IOC announced that the ability to compete as a woman will would be defined by chromosomes, DNA or genitals but by androgen levels.

Here's a decent ESPN story about gender identity and sports. Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, ambiguous genitals, internal sex organs that don't match external ones, an extra chromosome such as men with an XXY combination, and more.

37 posted on 12/15/2012 3:36:56 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
Sorry. Should be "the ability to compete as a woman would not be defined by chromosomes . . ."
38 posted on 12/15/2012 3:38:34 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Redmen4ever

No matter how mutilated he’s made his body, or disabled by unnatural hormones, this man has the advantage of larger bones and muscles formed by male anatomy.

This is significantly unfair to the real females—esp. on other teams or his own.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 3:42:00 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Former Fetus

One would have to want to play college ball really bad...


40 posted on 12/15/2012 3:50:52 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Former Fetus

That's a guy dressed up like a shiela!

41 posted on 12/15/2012 3:53:06 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Former Fetus

He/she/it/whatever steals the title of “Biggest Freak in Basketball” from Dennis Rodman.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 3:57:27 PM PST by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: Former Fetus
Amazingly we had America's #1 college basketball team, Indiana, up against Butler. They played that out in an overtime. This was followed by Notre Dame against Purdue.

The event is called The Crossroads Classic ~ 'cause everybody in it is an Indiana team and it's held in Indianapolis.

Reports are that in future years Notre Dame will be playing Purdue every other year, probably in this holiday season contest.

That's what's important in basketball. This business about a tall guy with no penis is not important.

43 posted on 12/15/2012 4:07:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Former Fetus

I’ve discovered what appears to be a colossal hidden medical disaster involving medicines containing artificial female hormones that are being given to women during pregnancy, and I’m wondering what to do about it. Looking through the photo gallery attached to the sun times article you’ve linked to, I think Gabrielle Ludwig is probably one of those affected.

For decades, doctors have been using medicines containing high doses of artificial female hormones in pregnant women thought to be at risk of miscarriage or having a premature birth. In general, these drugs have relatively minor effects on women, but in adult men even quite low doses of them shut down hormone production in the testicles and produce a state of chemical castration. No one in the medical profession seems to have taken in the significance of that fact. Over the years, literally millions of pregnant women have been given these drugs in doses well beyond what is required to chemically castrate an adult man.

It isn’t a widely appreciated fact (even among doctors), but male development in the unborn child isn’t driven directly by genes, but instead is driven by hormones produced in the testicles. If anything stops those hormones from being produced or doing their job, you get female development during that part of the pregnancy, even if the person is genetically male (see, for instance, the wikipedia articles for CAIS and Swyer’s syndrome).

As far as I’ve been able to tell, there are literally millions of nominally male people alive today who were exposed to castration-inducing doses of these drugs in the womb, and have presumably partly developed as female instead of male as a result. Since most of the pregnancy is devoted to brain development rather than genital development, it isn’t necessarily going to be immediately obvious if that has happened.

I’ve spent the last year investigating one particular group of these people, the “DES sons” (sons of women given a drug called DES as a treatment for miscarriage). There definitely is a problem as far as that drug is concerned. I think it’s likely that many other artificial hormones have a similar effect though.

DES (or diethylstilboestrol) is an extremely powerful artificial estrogen which was commonly used as a treatment for miscarriage from about 1940 until 1971 (when it was abruptly pulled from the market after a link to cancer was found). The typical dosage used for miscarriage treatment was absolutely colossal, equivalent to around half a million of today’s low dose contraceptive pills, most of which was administered during the second half of the pregnancy.

The official line is that the DES sons suffered almost no effects from being exposed to the equivalent of half a million contraceptive pills before birth, which to me seemed a little too good to be true. What I’ve found so far suggests that a colossal disaster took place and that there’s been a whopping cover up, aided by the level of shame associated with intersex conditions and people’s reluctance to talk about them.

There’s four main problems that DES sons seem to experience:

* infertility
* physical intersex conditions (most commonly undescended testes, hypospadias and micropenis)
* lifelong low testosterone and other endocrine problems.
* Psychological problems of various kinds, along with “gender dysphoria” (the feeling of being a woman trapped in a mans body).

Many of them seem to have a “eunuchoid” body structure, which is often seen in intersex cases and is a consequence of having abnormally low testosterone levels during puberty. Looking at the pictures in the photo gallery of that article, Gabrielle Ludwig appears to have that body structure too. It’s basically a body that looks a bit like a cross between a man’s and a woman’s, with long, slender arms and legs; legs significantly longer than the upper body; quite feminine facial features (well they probably were when she was younger); an armspan greater than height; not much body hair and an inability to build upper body muscle (unless you take anabolic steroids, which most professional sportsmen do). From one of the photos it looks like Gabrielle has a female digit ratio too, i.e. index finger as long or longer than the ring finger.

The infertility many DES sons seem to experience is I think the result of direct damage to the testicles caused by prolonged exposure to such a high dose of artificial female hormones before birth. The other effects I think are due to testicular hormone production being suppressed during the time the DES was being given (typically the entire second and third trimester of the pregnancy). The genitals and reproductive organs develop during the first trimester, and the remainder of the pregnancy is when sexually dimorphic brain development takes place. What DES seems to have done to most of the DES sons is to create people with a male(ish) body, but a brain that has developed partly or completely as female instead of male. I appreciate it sounds preposterous that doctors could do something so reckless or get away with concealing it for so long, but I’ve put a lot of effort over the last year looking into this and it does appear to be what’s happened. Why else would you suddenly have people popping up all over the place who are trying to change themselves into women?

There’s a book about the DES disaster available as a free download:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/pat-cody/des-voices-995/ebook/product-17522743.html

The author, Pat Cody, lost her daughter to DES-related cancer and the book is more about DES daughters than DES sons, but in chapter 3 she does mention some of the effects many DES sons have suffered (and also their extreme reluctance to admit to or talk about them). She clearly didn’t know that the genital abnormalities and probably the endocrine problems too, are actually the result of intersexed development. I’m sure there are people who do know, but so far they’ve managed to keep a very tight lid on the whole thing. I’d like to shine a light on their dirty little secret. Is there any way free republic could help do that?

Hugh


44 posted on 12/30/2012 1:25:11 PM PST by HughE
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To: HughE

That is extremely interesting! I’m not sure what we can do, though, but I agree with you that it should be made public knowledge.


45 posted on 12/30/2012 8:40:03 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

Yes, it should be made public knowledge, but nobody seems to want to know! I tried writing to one of our national newspapers (who I thought might be sympathetic since they previously ran a story about DES daughters). They didn’t even have the courtesy to send me a reply. Probably they put my email in the same bin they use for stories about hoax moon landing conspiracies, and I think that’s been the same problem with everyone else I’ve tried contacting about it too. Artificial hormones are just about the most widely used and most profitable class of drugs there are in the entire field of medicine, and they’ve been in widespread use for more than 50 years. How could the fact that they can cause an unborn child to partially develop as the opposite sex have passed unnoticed for all this time?

The answer is, it hasn’t. Of course there are people who know. The trouble is, the problem doesn’t seem to have been spotted until the mid-1970s, and by that time there’d already been a colossal number of babies born with deformities of various kinds - probably in the millions.

In the US, it was mainly genital abnormalities among the DES sons, while here in Europe the problem was more thalidomide-type deformities (i.e. missing limbs, abnormalities of internal organs, and a condition called VACTERL syndrome), caused by hormone pregnancy tests.

“Hormone pregnancy tests” were the standard way of diagnosing pregnancy before urine test strips became available in Europe around 1975. Basically the test involved taking 1 or 2 tablets containing a high dose of the same hormones that are used in birth control pills. If the woman wasn’t pregnant, this would cause her period to start. If her period didn’t start, then she was pregnant (and now at risk of giving birth to a severely deformed baby!).

Generally these tests were done earlier than 6 weeks after conception (which is when sexually dimorphic development starts), so rather than causing intersexed development, they tended to affect limbs and major organs, since these develop very early in the pregnancy.

Here’s the story of a mother who was given one of these tests and whose son was born deformed as a result:
http://www.cbgnetwork.org/2883.html

There’s very little else in the way of information about hormone pregnancy tests available online, even though hundreds of thousands of pregnant women were being given this test every year up until 1975 and a very large number of babies must have been born deformed as a result. It was a major scandal at the time here in the UK, with numerous newspaper articles, questions asked in parliament and at least one TV documentary produced (whose broadcast was blocked by court order). Nonetheless, there’s virtually no mention of any of that online, the whole thing has pretty much been erased from history!

There was a third pregnancy hormone disaster that seems to have converged with these other two, which at least does have a wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progestin-induced_virilisation
(although the number of cases mentioned in the article is small, these drugs were in widespread use and the wiki article must be massively understating the true numbers affected).

Progestins are a class of hormones which are supposed to mimic the action of the female hormone progesterone, but the early versions of these drugs also mimicked the action of the male hormone testosterone at the same time, sufficiently well to result in a lot of baby girls exposed to them before birth developing intersexed or male genitals (and presumably experiencing male brain development too, though they don’t talk about that in the wikipedia article!).

In short, there seems to have been a sudden realisation around 1975 or so, that literally millions of babies had been born with deformities of various kinds during the preceding 3 decades because their mothers had been given artificial hormones of various kinds during the first trimester of pregnancy.

The thalidomide disaster with just 10,000 victims cost the pharmaceutical industry and medical establishment billions in lawsuits. What were they going to do with another birth defects disaster with 100 times as many victims? They must have taken one look at the numbers and decided their only option was to pretend the whole thing never happened. That’s how I see it anyway.

Presumably they were in a bit of a panic at the time, because they don’t seem to have properly understood that many of the deformities they were seeing were actually the result of intersexed development rather than just being regular birth defects. Instead of prohibiting the use of hormonal drugs during pregnancy outright, the prescribing guidelines were changed to stop them being used during the first trimester (which is when the development of the genitals and reproductive organs takes place). There were and are no restrictions on the use of hormonal medicines during the later stages of the pregnancy, which is when sexually dimorphic brain development takes place. The result, as far as I can see, is that there must be a large number of people (well into the millions) alive today whose body matches their genetic sex, but whose brain is partly or completely that of the opposite sex, all thanks to medication their mother was given during pregnancy. It’s mostly genetically male people at risk, but some of these drugs can mimic the action of testosterone and thus cause male development in an otherwise female baby, so genetically female people are at risk too.

Based on what I’ve seen over the last year, there definitely is a problem with testicular damage, infertility, physical intersex conditions and female gender identity among the DES sons. There are between 2 and 3 million of them worldwide, and yet they’ve remained completely off the radar as far as the public is concerned for more than 40 years. If that number of people can be hidden away for that length of time, how many more could be affected by other pregnancy hormones?

Hugh


46 posted on 01/01/2013 2:45:41 PM PST by HughE
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