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Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must ‘exploit’ shooting
The Washington Times ^ | Friday, December 14, 2012 | Ben Wolfgang

Posted on 12/15/2012 12:21:20 PM PST by NoRedTape

"A veteran Democratic lawmaker believes the nation will go along with stronger gun control laws if President Obama “exploits” the Newtown, Conn., tragedy and nudges Congress to action.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who represents portions of New York City, said he was encouraged by Mr. Obama’s statement on Friday afternoon that the mass shooting, which claimed the lives of 20 young children, requires “meaningful action” by Congress, but hopes those words turn into concrete legislation.".............

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; connecticut; gun; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment
Libs are clowns. Gun control is the last thing we need. Bring back God, discipline, parenting and morals. Libs love to put a bandaid on issues and avoid speaking seriously about solving the issues.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 12:21:27 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: NoRedTape
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2 posted on 12/15/2012 12:23:04 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: NoRedTape

Getting serious about managing people with mental illness is up there, too.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 12:26:17 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Very true.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 12:26:55 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: NoRedTape

Is Nadler the same fat f**k who complained to the FAA after a flight to Fresno because the destination tags on his luggage said “FAT”? The hypersensitive schmuck didn’t realize it was only an abbreviation for Fresno Air Terminal.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 12:29:05 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: NoRedTape

Lanza broke multiple current laws (felonies). Murder of his mother is the first law broken (first degree), steals mother’s firearms, second. etc etc etc etc...


6 posted on 12/15/2012 12:29:25 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: NoRedTape

I base all my legislative decisions on the actions of psychopaths.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 12:29:25 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: MtnMan101

8 posted on 12/15/2012 12:30:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: NoRedTape

Following this event, I threw together a short column of my thoughts on the subject, entitled “I’ll Second That Amendment”


Following the tragic and senseless killing of 26 people - 20 of them elementary school children - in Connecticut, the anti-gun nuts are coming out of the proverbial woodwork.
Left wingnut Jerrold Nadler (D-New York) has even urged the equally leftist President to “exploit the shooting to get more gun control.”. He obviously has little concern over anything concerning the shooting, other than the political mileage he and his party can gain from it.
But this is not a new phenomenon, and it happens each time some nutcase decides it’s time for some attention and payback.
But, the blinders that Democrats wear always prevents the truth from coming out.
I decided that I would do a little research and find out about the trend in random “mass shootings” and exactly where they fall in the total scheme of things. This research is not scientific, or official, but an analogy based on the information available from news account and other information gleaned on line.
So, here goes:
Since 1982, there have been approximately 23, so-called “mass shootings”, worldwide.
The morbid by products of these events include 452 people killed, and about 149 wounded. That figures out to about 1.2 people killed per month spread over 30 years. Remember this is for the entire world, not just the USA. In that same time, approximately .4 people were wounded.
Chicago, Illinois, alone, is on track for 524 murders for 2012. The difference is, these shootings and murders in Chi-town are spread out over weeks and months, and don’t fit the description of “mass shootings”. But, dead is dead.
Ironically, out of the world total of 452 mass murder victims, only 128 people were killed in the USA.
The remaining 324 victims were killed overseas - where there is no 2nd Amendment allowing them to own firearms.
The bellowing of the leftist to ban firearms is even further hypocritical when you check te fact that of the U.S. total of 128 victims, 103 occurred in the so-called “Blue States” (Colorado, Connecticut, Washington, Wisconsin, etc)...liberal territory. Only 25 occurred in the “Red”, or conservative states. And, if you take out the Fort Hood, Texas massacre, which was done by a Muslim for political reasons, the conservative states account for only 12 deaths out of the 128.
The specifics are sketchy, but on a worldwide scale, 65-percent of the shooters committed suicide after their murder spree, a pretty good indication that they were mentally deficient in some way or another.
The median age of the shooters is 20.33 years, most from single parent, or troubled homes.
In summary, on the world wide stage mass shootings, countries other than the United States account for 72% of the deaths (66% of the wounded) from firearms in mass shootings.
The conclusion can be that the 2nd Amendment actually prevents more deaths than countries who totally ban firearms. It has already been proven time and time again that when firearms are banned in countries, the crime rate skyrockets.
So the use of the Connecticut incident as a tool to repeal the 2nd Amendment is a non-starter.
But a good infusion of morals and family values would help immensely .


9 posted on 12/15/2012 12:30:03 PM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: NoRedTape

To the collectivist, government is god. Therefore, in a time of crisis, they call on their god to fix it.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 12:30:55 PM PST by lurk
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To: Impala64ssa

Nadler is sucking up to Bloomberg with his lame comments. Another lapdog stepping and fetching for campaign contributions.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 12:31:50 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: NoRedTape

May I suggest that obama first get a grip on that porous Southern border through which armed criminals come in. That’s just for starters. I am not going to be a sitting duck for people that get in illegally. FUBO.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 12:32:58 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: lurk

so correct, the altar of secularism.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 12:33:12 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: NoRedTape
Obama must ‘exploit’ shooting

Isn't that the exact MO of the Leftists? Any excuse for more government and more regulations.

14 posted on 12/15/2012 12:35:46 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: NoRedTape
It has never been about gun control for these jokers, it has always been about people control. They won't hear logic, they won't listen to reason, they will only push their duplicitous agenda and so then we'll push back and then we'll win like we always do and the result will be even more guns in circulation. wash rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

That's the game they want to play so that's the game we're gonna have to play. Remember liberals, this is how you wanted it.

15 posted on 12/15/2012 12:37:44 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: FrankR

Excellent work putting things in perspective! Thanks for posting.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 12:38:52 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: NoRedTape
Anyone notice the fake tear Obama wiped away yesterday for the victims?

Not so great acting but acting ...

Lanza's mother took both of her boys to the shooting range. (And, he was said to have a personality disorder ? ) Other reports described this young man as extremely intelligent loner who played video games with his friends ? So which was it... a loner or a kid with friends.

Lanza's mother apparently had a drinking buddy named Holmes.

Lots wrong with this family.

I bet we'll hear it from brother Ryan Lanza.

Only brought Obama to your attention because he appears to be up to his neck in riots, killing, raping, in the middle east as well as those countries' presidents being removed and replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Syria is next.

17 posted on 12/15/2012 12:39:25 PM PST by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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To: PapaNew

Ironic that our own federal government sent thousands of guns to Mexico in violation of U.S. laws and is responsible for who knows how many deaths.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 12:41:02 PM PST by 99tango
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To: PapaNew

Ironic that our own federal government sent thousands of guns to Mexico in violation of U.S. laws and is responsible for who knows how many deaths.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 12:41:02 PM PST by 99tango
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To: NoRedTape
In order to exploit the CT horror, Zer0 and the left will need some cover. Read http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969049/posts and see how this kind of set-up, had it turned out differently, would make a perfect Reichstag fire.
20 posted on 12/15/2012 12:41:19 PM PST by Roccus
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To: NoRedTape

Nadless should be more afraid of choking on a ham sammich than guns.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 12:49:57 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: FrankR
. . . 324 victims were killed overseas - where there is no 2nd Amendment allowing them to own firearms.

Often governments are the mass murderers.. with counts in the tens of millions. It's called democide..

appropriately and yes given our ruling class Dem New Normal

I absolutely see the day when it happens here if we do not stop them. Some of them discussed plans for it when they were mere Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, spoiled brats.

The link is to wiki graffiti.. if past experience is any clue Lefties seeing this on FR will rush to change democide to repocide. Things have been changed, even disappeared, once they appeared on FR.

22 posted on 12/15/2012 12:59:02 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: NoRedTape

Try it you communist bastards and blood will flow in the streets... blood of the left.

LLS


23 posted on 12/15/2012 12:59:40 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: NoRedTape

‘RATS dancing in the blood. What a sorry country we’ve become.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 1:00:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: xtinct
RE: "Anyone notice the fake tear Obama wiped away yesterday for the victims?"

The photo itself had to be fake.. he always uses his middle finger for anything meant for us to see.

26 posted on 12/15/2012 1:04:06 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 99tango

You had better believe that obama is not exactly looking forward to this gun control debate because Fast & Furious is still lurking in the background plus he is not able to protect his diplomats in Benghazi so his resume on protecting much of anything is not exactly stellar.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 1:05:49 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

They all look stoned, don’t they.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 1:06:38 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: FrankR

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/articlev.htm

The United States Constitution is unusually difficult to amend. As spelled out in Article V, the Constitution can be amended in one of two ways. First, amendment can take place by a vote of two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a ratification of three-fourths of the various state legislatures (ratification by thirty-eight states would be required to ratify an amendment today). This first method of amendment is the only one used to date. Second, the Constitution might be amended by a Convention called for this purpose by two-thirds of the state legislatures, if the Convention’s proposed amendments are later ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 1:10:08 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: FrankR

Great post.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 1:13:29 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: NoRedTape
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31 posted on 12/15/2012 1:31:02 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: Travis McGee

I see two Good people dead in pools of blood.

One living Bad dude with a gun.

Smart kid, yeah.


32 posted on 12/15/2012 1:34:20 PM PST by Gasshog
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To: NoRedTape

I hate to say this,but we should also bring back the involuntary institutionalization of people with incurable mental disorders who are a danger to society.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 1:35:29 PM PST by patriotsblood
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To: NoRedTape

I just got a email about a memorial service to be held in my town. All of the speakers are lefty preachers or elected officials. Needles to say, I’m not going.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 1:37:02 PM PST by matt04
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I hate to say this,but we should also bring back the involuntary institutionalization of people with incurable mental disorders who are a danger to society.

Yeah, because that has always worked SO well, and NEVER got abused by individuals either in or over the system.

Don't let emotions continue to choke of your brain. Our Founders made the legislative process S-L-O-W so that emotionally-driven events like this wouldn't lead us to making horrible mistakes like the moronic ones getting bandied about this weekend. Grieve for the kids, but don't further destroy Justice in the name of the slain. It does nothing to honor them, protect others, or help us.

35 posted on 12/15/2012 2:06:53 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: NoRedTape
The Brady Bunch, partying down!


36 posted on 12/15/2012 2:14:08 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: FrankR

BTTT...thank you.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 2:34:21 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: NoRedTape

As a professional community organizer, 0bama knows all about “exploiting”, agitating, and rabble-rousing.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 2:39:42 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: skeeter
Getting serious about managing people with mental illness is up there, too.

Keep in mind that all conservatives and all gun owners are psychotic sociopaths, and Obama can prove it. It's just that he's very busy this week.

39 posted on 12/15/2012 2:47:17 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: NoRedTape

As Rahm Emanuel (formerly President Obama’s Chief of Staff) once put it: One should never let a good crisis (or, in this case, a tragedy) go to waste...


40 posted on 12/15/2012 3:01:44 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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Libs are clowns.

Unfortunately, they are in charge. They make the laws. They vote on the laws. They decide who has to follow the laws.

41 posted on 12/15/2012 3:33:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: NoRedTape

Fortunately at his core I suspect Barry lacks the cojones for such a confrontation.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 3:39:11 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NoRedTape

Solving problems? What would be the point of that? Then they’d have to find something new to bitch and demagogue about. They make sure to find “solutions” that will perpetuate problems, not solve them.

If, by accident, they do solve something, they do their best to pretend that it’s still an ongoing problem. Stem cell research no longer requires the destruction of human embryos, so they pretend that the right is preventing stem cell research by opposing the destruction of human embryos. Segregation is a thing of the past, so they continue to call conservatives racists for opposing affirmative action. Polution is a mere fraction of what it was back in the day, so they invent global warming. Nothing ever gets solved if they can help it, even if it is already solved.


43 posted on 12/15/2012 4:25:37 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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Nothing ever gets solved if they can help it, even if it is already solved.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Especially if the Fed is involved.
Just think if the ‘War on Crime’ ever ended.
All those rentacops that ‘watch’ the lobby of most high rises, the 2 or 3 people behind the desk, yet, mysteriously, stuff supposedly ‘walks’ out of buildings BUT the poor slob trying to work for a living goes through the ‘check points’ like ‘they’ are doing something, plus the cost of passes, card readers etc etc.

Remember IF AND WHEN a Govt Agency is disolved, it takes at least 1 Blue Ribbon Panel to shut it down, then a panel to shut the panel down etc etc

Like they have gotten now that when ‘they’ finally think they need a road to ease traffic, a committee with a large budget is formed so as to ‘study’ the feasibility of a highway widening that a grade school student could tell you needs to be done.

There is absolutely no such thing as ‘extra money’ as ‘they’ will spend it long before its life is up.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 4:40:07 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: lurk
To the collectivist, government is god. Therefore, in a time of crisis, they call on their god to fix it.


And civilian ownership of "non-sporting" firearms is a mortal threat to their deity, which is why they shamelessly exploit tragedies such as this one.

45 posted on 12/15/2012 6:07:02 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: NoRedTape

After we control guns, we can ban them.....than we can ban knives......than we can find a way to ban fists.....so a murderer goes on a rampage which means we must have national legislation anon! Nothing like exploiting a mass murder in Connecticut to burden people in Arizona.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 7:47:17 PM PST by Merta (Like Joe Jones, but in reverse, I talk too much.)
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To: NoRedTape

You have a loner, who is into Goth which promotes death and torture among other very dark topics, a single parent, and more than likely on psychotropic drugs prescribed by a psychiatrist and there is your recipe for this disaster.

Go back and look at some of the school shooting in the past. The perpetrators were on prescription medicine.

Instead of banning guns we need to ban the over prescribing of drugs to our youth. Also if your going to be a parent accept the job of raising your children properly.


47 posted on 12/16/2012 11:02:17 AM PST by doc
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To: xrmusn

Sure. I have a friend who’s a dean in a large NYC high school. Every few years, he wrote once for the NY Sun, somebody wants to “reform” the system, and those ‘reforms’ get slapped on top of all the “reforms” from previous years, until it resembles a dried out Christmas tree with layer upon layer of tinsel, never thrown out, never revamped, just decorations slopped over decorations, year after year, and the tree itself is dead and lost beneath the pile of crap that lies on top of it.


48 posted on 12/16/2012 12:51:43 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: PapaNew

Exactly. And they are always right in their own eyes since they find anything which expands government control over us wonderful and “for our own good”.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 1:00:38 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: doc

So True.


50 posted on 12/17/2012 10:18:02 PM PST by NoRedTape
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