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To: Aurorales
Maybe not detained but could have been properly medicated.


He was medicated.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/adam-lanza-is-recalled-as-a-rambunctious-kid-with-family-problems/2012/12/14/795ad0fe-4641-11e2-8e70-e1993528222d_story.html

That's the problem . They are putting way to many kinds on drugs like prozac for minor issues and they end up doing really crazy things . Almost all these young people that have committed these mass murders have been on these types of medications . There have been lots of studies that prove these drugs are tied to suicide especially when taken by young people . I know a family who went through this personally , the teenage daughter was put on these drugs because she was a spoiled brat who had temper tantrums . She ended up shooting herself and almost killed both her parents . Lots of doctors know these drugs are causing these kinds of problems BUT NO ONE is talking about it .Everyone is too busy trying to ban the guns .

45 posted on 12/15/2012 8:26:43 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lera

One of the problems is that doctors, seeing the impossibility of hospitalizing patients (especially adolescents), tend to hand out drugs like candy hoping that will do something to control the patient. Many of these drugs should really be used only under close supervision, but that’s not possible.

Adolescents present a particular problem because that is often the time when the serious mental disorders suddenly appear (schizophrenia, etc.) and yet while there were once entire hospitals that specialized in caring for and attempting to treat adolescent patients (California had a gem of a hospital for this purpose, prior to deinstitutionalization) there is really nothing doctors can do now except order a brief (3-day) committment when the child gets suicidal or violent - and give them drugs. I had a friend whose manic-depressive son went through years of brief committments and finally, a few hours after the last one, did manage to kill himself. The family, in the meanwhile, had virtually lived in the emergency room or at the police station; they were completely destroyed, the parents divorced, and the other children in the family, who had never had decent childhoods themselves because everything was invested in caring for their older brother, were left bitter and alienated.

So in the case of your friend, a long term comittment at an adolescent facility might have helped her, because perhaps she really was more than a spoiled brat; or if she really was just a spoiled brat, this would have given everybody time to sort it out. Sometimes adolescents react better if they are out of a particular family environment. But handing out drugs is about all psychiatrists can do right now.

My objection is to givnig drugs for the minor (and, in my opinion, non-existent) disorders such as “ADD” and other mysterious “learning disorders,” which really are often just disciplinary or behavioral problems or at worst, developmental problems that would probably resolve themselves in a few years, especially with young children. In fact, giving them drugs probably interferes with their development and makes the problem worse.

So I agree that it’s true that sometimes parents who have created an uncontrollable and hostile child simply through poor upbringing are looking to drugs for a magical cure for the monster they have created. But at other times, there is a genuinely serious problem that may be exacerbated by poor parenting but is something that goes way beyond that and might be controllable by drugs - but certainly needs more comprehensive treatment than just the occasional handful of pills in an unsupervised environment.

Medications are not all bad. I have seen people whose lives were utterly tormented by paranoid hallucinations suddenly experience peace when the right combination of anti-psychotics was found. But this needs supervision, either in a full-time residential facility for the more fragile cases, or in some more open setting where there is still regular monitoring. When people are having an “episode,” they’re not pretending: they really do think they’re being stalked by monsters or that somebody is “listening to their brain waves” through their fillings, and they’re genuinely terrified and are not going to go for help voluntarily.


50 posted on 12/16/2012 3:33:06 AM PST by livius
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To: Lera

There are two ways that Prozac usage can negatively affect the likelihood of someone ding something terrible:

1. Depressed person develops suicidal/homicidal ideation, but the depressed state saps the person’s gumption to do anything about it. Anti-depressants fix the depression, but the suicidal ideation remains. My personal theory is that this affects children/young adults more commonly than adults simply because someone that young is unlikely to have any OTHER ideation to revert to: they’ve only known suicidal ideation.

2. ADHD is often comorbid with depression. Anti-depressants negate the stimulant effect of ADHD medications, such as amphetamines. If a kid quits taking his anti-depressants but continues to take his ADHD meds, he can get the worst sort of high you can imagine, which combined with depression can make someone desperate, violent and juiced up.

In neither case are the anti-depressants really the problem.


51 posted on 12/16/2012 6:19:55 AM PST by dangus
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To: Lera

I agree, and ritalin and adderol. My son was tested for ADD in 8th grade and was said not to have it. The doctor wanted to put him on ritalin any way. I said no.

I also believe all depression/anxiety medications are over-prescribed. But I’m also against aricept for alzheimer’s, separate issue but it was given to my mother-in-law in a nursing home. The family wasn’t notified, I found out a year and a half later that she was on it, during that time she was hallucinating seeing dead people, crying, nasty, sweet..all ranges of emotions. I only found out she was on it because she needed a heart procedure and the surgeon at the hospital called me to say they had to take her off the aricept to do the procedure.

When I questioned her doctor at the nursing home as to why he put her on the aricept, he said and I quote, “She said she couldn’t remember some things from the past”...THAT WAS HIS TEST for her to be put on a mind-altering drug, and it did alter her mind..I’m sure the pharmaceutical salesmen reward the doctors well in these nursing homes to drug up the residents. I am a huge skeptic and possible cynic when it comes to doctors. After another year my mother-in-law got off the aricept but damage was done. Now she’s on cymbalta, lovely side effects with that..she’s still in and out of moods, incoherent, unable to have normal conversations (couldn’t with the aricept either), she was still coherent before the aricept took her mind away. I am livid over it all and helpless to do anything about it. I am caring for my dying mother 24/7.

Drugging little boys IMO may be creating the monsters we are seeing today. Not the only reason no doubt but a possible part of it all.


54 posted on 12/16/2012 12:57:10 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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