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Gandhi advocated the right to bear arms
http://www.naturalnews.com/038372_Gandhi_nonviolence_right_to_bear_arms.html ^

Posted on 12/17/2012 5:11:09 AM PST by truthfinder9

Gandhi is known around the world as the master of "nonviolence." And yet, in the face of being threatened with bullying attacks, even Gandhi directly advocated the use of violence in the defense of the innocent. Had Gandhi been alive today and witnessed the senseless loss of life at Sandy Hook Elementary school, he would have advocated arming the principal and giving her a chance to protect innocent lives through the use of defensive violent action.

Don't believe me? Read his own words...

"I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence," Gandhi wrote in his famous work, Doctrine of the Sword.

(Excerpt) Read more at naturalnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglish; banglist; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment; selfdefense; sourcetitlenoturl; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 12/17/2012 5:11:18 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

Gandhi also advocated that Hitler’s enemies should lie down and accept his march over them.


2 posted on 12/17/2012 5:13:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: truthfinder9
All that matters now is that private citizens with guns are seen as a threat to the ambitions of the marxists and they are making a full scale assault on RKBA.

We aren't going to negotiate our way out of this, nothing we say will change what they want.

If all gun owners don't get active and loud, right now, we will get steamrolled right out of existence.

I've already had 3 people tell me they didn't want to stick their neck out and get on a list, and it isn't even 9AM yet! That is not going to work!

3 posted on 12/17/2012 5:22:11 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: truthfinder9

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving the whole nation of arms as the blackest. Mahatma Gandhi


4 posted on 12/17/2012 5:25:17 AM PST by donozark (I was planning to spend Christmas in Damascus, until I read Isiah 17:1...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
If all gun owners don't get active and loud, right now, we will get steamrolled right out of existence.

Yeah I've noticed a fair number if FReepers declaring the fight over and that they're too pathetic to fight any more.
5 posted on 12/17/2012 5:30:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Gandhi also advocated that Hitler’s enemies should lie down and accept his march over them.

I guess lying down and being marched over doesn't constitute cowardice.
6 posted on 12/17/2012 5:36:36 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m in no mood to listen to wailing and moaning from them if we lose this fight.


7 posted on 12/17/2012 5:37:12 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I’m in Michigan where we’ve been told its over for decades and we’re wasting our time. Last week we won the RTW battle and this week there’s a bill on the governor’s desk that will allow guns on school property.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 5:41:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek; All
THE CRISIS

Thomas Paine

December 23, 1776

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/c-01.htm

9 posted on 12/17/2012 5:44:10 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: cripplecreek

Any word on whether he’s going to sign it?


10 posted on 12/17/2012 6:01:03 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

He’s not saying anything yet but if you want to help give him a nudge here is his twitter address.....

https://twitter.com/onetoughnerd

and his contact page.

http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,4668,7-277-57827-267869—,00.html


11 posted on 12/17/2012 6:19:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: truthfinder9

And today there is a fairly robust gun rights lobby pushing for a Second Amendment in India.


12 posted on 12/17/2012 6:43:33 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cripplecreek

Democratic lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must ‘exploit’ shooting

By Ben Wolfgang

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The Washington Times

Friday, December 14, 2012

A veteran Democratic lawmaker believes the nation will go along with stronger gun control laws if President Obama “exploits” the Newtown, Conn., tragedy and nudges Congress to action.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who represents portions of New York City, said he was encouraged by Mr. Obama’s statement on Friday afternoon that the mass shooting, which claimed the lives of 20 young children, requires “meaningful action” by Congress, but hopes those words turn into concrete legislation.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/print/#ixzz2FKC7xpjf
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


13 posted on 12/17/2012 7:58:23 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: truthfinder9
BTTT

Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens

Why the Gun is Civilization

A Nation of Cowards


Pacifism: The Ultimate Immorality by Raymond Kraft

Last week, Jack and Jill Pacifisto were walking home through the park after dinner with friends, during which they had spent a few hours discussing the immorality of violence and war and their commitments to send more money to progressive activists over the next year. Suddenly, Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows and pointed a pistol at Jack and said, “Give me your wallet,” and, pointing the gun at Jill, “Your purse.”

“What?” asked Jack, incredulous, “Hey, we don’t want any trouble. We’re pacifists. We aren’t going to hurt you.”

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your money.”

So Jack and Jill did, and then Tony said, “And now gimme your watches, rings, jewelry, everything worth anything.”

“Hey,” said Jill, “This is my wedding ring!”

And Tony said, “Not my problem.”

Jack and Jill handed over their wallet, and purse, and all their jewelry and Rolex watches, and then Tony shot them both twice in the chest and picked up the loot and stepped back into the shadows.

As Jill lay dying she whispered, “Jack? Why didn’t you fight back? Why didn’t you have a gun?” Those were her last words.

“I couldn’t,” whispered Jack. “I’m a pacifist.” Those were his last words.

A few days later, Bill Thaxton and his wife were walking home through the park after dinner, when Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows.

“Give me your wallet, your purse,” said Tony, pointing his gun first at Bill, and then at his wife. He did not know that Bill was an old lawman, and had been a Marine sniper when he was young, and was active in the Single Action Shooters Society and had a concealed-carry-permit. Tony assumed that the old man was just an old man with some money and a few credit cards in his wallet walking home from dinner.

“Sorry, friend, I don’t like guns, and I don’t want any trouble,” said Bill.

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your wallet, your purse,” he said, waving the gun at Bill’s wife, “Rings, watches, everything.”

“And what if I don’t?” asked Bill.

“I’ll shoot you both. Her first,” said Tony, pointing his gun at Bill’s wife again.

“Well,” said Bill, “Okay, honey, do what he says.”

She tossed down her purse. Bill reached slowly for his left lapel with his right hand and then, like lightning, did a cross-draw with his left and came out blazing with his trusty little 9, nailing Tony three times.

As he lay on the sidewalk dying, Tony Thug was heard to mutter, “Damn, I shoulda stuck with the pacifists . . .”

An acquaintance wrote me last week to tell me proudly how he had been a pacifist since the ‘60s. His letter set me thinking about pacifism, which is the ultimate and vilest form of immorality.

If you are Hitler, or Saddam, or Osama, or Ahmadinejad, your desire to kill those you dislike is at least honest and open. You wear you hate on your sleeve and we know who and what you are. But the Pacifist wears his refusal to resist evil as if it were a badge of honor, and claims it as a sign of his or her absolute moral superiority. The Hitlers and Osamas are at least honest about who they are, the Pacifist is not. Not even to himself.

The German Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote a poem circa 1946 about the quiescence of German intellectuals in the face of the Nazi rise to power that has become famous. Translated, it reads:

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent,

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists

I did not speak out,

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews

I did not speak out,

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me

there was no one left to speak out.

The Pacifist says something like this, but, unlike Niemoller, without apology. He says:

When you come for my allies

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my countrymen

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my neighbor,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my mother,

my father, my brother,

my sister, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my wife,

my husband, my son,

my daughter, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for me,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

The Pacifist claims that he (or she) is too good to fight against evil, and this is the catastrophic intellectual and moral failure of Pacifism. In the guise of being too good to oppose evil, the Pacifist invokes the ultimate immorality by aiding and abetting and encouraging evil, on the pretext of being too pure, too wise, too sophisticated to fight evil, thereby turning the pretense of goodness and purity into an invocation and license for evil to act without opposition.

The moral stance of the Pacifist is, unwittingly perhaps, homicidal, genocidal, fratricidal, suicidal. The Pacifist says, in effect: “There is nothing good worth fighting for. And there is nothing so evil worth fighting against.”

The Pacifist is willing to give evil free reign, because he or she thinks or feels that fighting against evil is even worse than evil itself . . . an intellectual and moral equivocation of monumentally staggering proportions. In order to be a Pacifist, one must hold that Nazism or Islamism or Communism or any other puritanical totalitarian ideology that seeks to slaughter or oppress all the Jews or all of any other race or tribe is no worse, is not morally inferior, to the existence of Jews and Judaism, or whatever other race or tribe is the whipping boy of the day.

To be a Pacifist, one must hold that acquiescence to a Jihad that seeks to destroy Western Civilization is no worse than Western Civilization, even though the Jihad seeks to extinguish intellectual freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, and ultimately even the freedom to be a Pacifist.

As the English philosopher Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The Pacifist replies, “I am so good that I will do nothing, I will hurt no one, even if that means that good will be destroyed and evil will win. I am so peaceful that I will not discriminate between the goodness of good and the badness of evil, certainly not with enough conviction to take up arms, literally or figuratively, against the triumph of evil over good, of totalitarianism over freedom, of barbarianism over civilization.”

And so the Pacifist, perhaps unthinkingly, unwittingly, mistakenly, is deeply mired in his intellectual confusion, but surely and unequivocally, the epitome of evil itself, For the Pacifist devoutly believes that by refusing to fight against evil he is affirming that he is good, too good and pure to oppose evil, too good and pure to fight evil, to good and pure to kill evil. But in the end, he is the enabler without whom the triumph of evil would not be possible.




14 posted on 12/17/2012 8:14:55 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

We are at another crossroad in history and now it's our turn to take a stand. Keep your powder dry.



III

Audentis Fortuna Iuvat




15 posted on 12/17/2012 8:40:15 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: truthfinder9

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16 posted on 12/17/2012 10:22:25 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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