Posted on 12/17/2012 5:49:02 AM PST by Kaslin
Teenager kills 8, wounds 5 in China knife attack
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2913674/posts
a recent , more “successful” knifer...
Oops, didn’t see your post (more or less the same). I guess that it is true that great minds think alike. :>)
Mitt said he had a problem reaching 47% too, wonder if there's a connection. Everywhere I go on the tee vee today, important people are clamoring for control of those scary assault rifles. Especially proud ERA members who are hunters who have never needed an assault rifle to hunt with and doesn't know anybody else who does either. Many of them are politicians. Here comes FRiends, rearing its ugly head again.
“The Democrats believe that their best ‘weapon’ against the 2nd Ammemdment...”
Says it all.
And states their goal.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
And here they go.
correction
ERA should be NRA
We have a mental health instability problem in the USA.
The mother of this shooter knew he had problems. As a non-professional, she kept making decisions about how far he could be trusted. She paid for that mistake with her life, and her death was followed by 27 others.
She apparently told the baby sitter when he was younger NOT TO TURN YOUR BACK.
How powerful a statement is that?
Was she shielding him and the father wanted him to have more professional help? Was that a factor in the divorce????
How does Canada handle the mentally unstable?
Everyone refers to how Canada handles guns, but how do they also handle their crazies?
The ACLU sued in the 70’s and got all the mental institutions closed in this country and got the laws changed so that an outsider cannot get much help for a person who obviously needs it. Only the subject can ask for help, and then such help is mostly only offered as an out-patient situation. The patient is prescribed medication, but there is no actual control of whether that patient takes the meds timely and consistently.
Subsequently, we now have a severe homeless population problem, with the majority of those persons also carrying on in the world with mental instability.
As long as the Liberals try to have everything both ways, such shootings and other trouble will continue.
Meanwhile, MILLIONS of gun owners will be punished for the act of a person who should have been in custody of some kind years ago.
I, for one, am tired of punishing the successful because the multi-generational welfare recipients choose to keep living the same life style—no work—no education—no future—and many children to take care of. Such resources are expected to come from those who were successful for a large variety of reasons. But they don’t deserve to be punished by the takers.
I am also very tired of seeing responsible people who happen to own guns be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
Liberals think they have an answer and a rule which applies to the successful and responsible in this country.
They don’t seem to ever find a rule to apply to those who are constant and consistant takers.
>It seems to me tragedy could’ve been averted had the shooter’s mother stored her guns in a safe. I know there are those who don’t like safe storage laws, but it seems to me that if you’re going to have crazy people visiting the house, keeping the guns under lock and key might be a good idea.
In this particular case, the mother KNEW that her son was crazy - she had even warned a babysitter years earlier not to turn her back on him.<
I would argue that in this family’s case, given the “off the charts” IQ of this disturbed, dangerously ill young man, assuming a gun safe could keep him at bay is the height of naivety. And, given the fact that Mrs Lanza paid for whatever mistake she made with her life, I would expect that nothing would have kept young Adam from obtaining these guns.
Knives are different from guns in two major respects. They require proximity and willingness to harm an enemy up close and personal. They also require sometimes lengthy training for use against a similarly armed opponent.
Guns give you the advantage of distance, as well as a being useful with a minimal degree of training. It should be noted that in some calibers, guns don't produce as large a wound channel (think Kabar knife here).
Of course, putting this kind of logic and information out there is like screaming inside a space suit on the far side of Mars.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2967141/posts
Auditing Shooting Rampage Statistics (Private Citizen vs Police Saves)
dailyanarchist.com 31 July, 2012 by Davi Barker
Posted on Sun Dec 09 2012 13:45:34 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by marktwain
(Posted before Newtown, CT incident.)
The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3
The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3.
Factual anecdotal correlation with recent incidents (within the last 2 weeks):
Newtown, CT; Wait for police; when they finally enter, shooter suicides; Death toll = 26
Clackamas, OR: CCW citizen holder immediately intervenes; shooter sees CCW and suicides; death toll = 3
This bears out the statistics irrefutably.
This fact needs to be impressed strongly on media and Congress-critters re uselessness of "gun control" legislation
Note that Adam Lanza approached this with an evil but logical plan:
- Gun-free zone
- Familiar with building from childhood attendance
- Pre-planned checkout with the office
- Populated with defenseless individuals
- No instantly activated alarm for police (for fire?)
- Incident probably a consequence of benzodiazepine-exacerbated depressive/suicidal/raging mental state
We need to especially protect defenseless individuals by eliminating "gun-free" zones and assuring the presence of trained, responsible adults as a reaction force.
A leavening of undiscernable CCW-permitted population makes perpetrator avoid zones where his vulnerability is prevously undetermined.
IMHO
bttt
ping for later
Maybe so, but a good safe surely wouldn’t have led to a worse result - and maybe it would have worked as intended.
>Maybe so, but a good safe surely wouldn’t have led to a worse result - and maybe it would have worked as intended.<
That is very true. We don’t know for sure Mrs Lanza didn’t have her firearms locked away, do we?
“It seems to me tragedy could’ve been averted had the shooter’s mother stored her guns in a safe. I know there are those who don’t like safe storage laws, but it seems to me that if you’re going to have crazy people visiting the house, keeping the guns under lock and key might be a good idea.”
I don’t recall seeing anything in any published article yet about whether or not the mother maintained a gun safe. We just don’t know that yet.
Even if she had a gun safe, and used it, it’s possible the boy may have known where the key was and then accessed the weapons with it.
The real problem here, and the one that’s probably the toughest nut to crack, is that the mother either did not grasp the forces that were taking over her son (sounds like schizophrenia), or sensed them but refused to comprehend and foresee the dangers that could arise. She seemed to realize that things with him were deteriorating, as it was reported that she had mentioned to an acquaintance that she thought she was “losing him”.
If she indeed saw the precipice to which he was nearing, she made a grave misjudgment by not further securing (i.e., removing) her weapons from his reach — probably by completely removing them from the home. One can empathize with a parent (especially a mother) who becomes blinded to the faults of the child. In this case it was a mistake with not only personal, but national, consequences.
“Honest liberal.”
“Scientists have discovered a new species?”
Yeah, they found him in a bar drinking Martinis with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
“Gun Free Zone” is just another way of saying “Target Rich Environment”
We know damned little, and this particular piece of information hasn't (to my knowledge) ever been brought up. The MSM is too busy beating the gun control drums that it can't be bothered with investigating anything, or actually verifying any supposed facts. Maybe we need control over the press & media, to make sure that no one acts to harm their own interests due to the gross misconduct of the reporters and editors?
Yep. Adam Lanzo will go down in history as proving that, once more. And the supporters of that approach are going to try to cash in on Adam to expand the TFEs as they did in Britain.
“Before guns/firearms there were swords, arrows, and spears...”
If a crazed man wished to kill a whole first grade class, I believe he would be able to accomplish that very easily with one or two baseball bats. If he managed to get into the school unseen, it is possible he would not have raised enough ruckus that he could proceed then to the second grade classroom...
A few of those struck might survive, but 2-3 hits, most would not.
More effective than a knife. Cheap. Quiet. Un-regulated.
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