Posted on 12/17/2012 10:54:13 AM PST by Perseverando
Too bad we cannot have a national discussion on the REAL cause of all of these horrible massacres......MENTAL ILLNESS....making guns the issue will solve nothing other than disarming law abiding citizens.
Disagree. The cause was demonic possession. There is no legitimate psychological explanation for shooting up a kindergarten class. The last thing we need is to blame this on mental illness and use knee-jerk reactions to lock up anyone that anyone claims is crazy, which is exactly how Hitler and Stalin consolidated power. This country needs a revival. There are millions of “loners” and “socially akward” Americans that wouldn’t harm a fly.
More families with guns in the past than today. But we didn't have mass murders targeting school children until recently.
That offer a hint about where the genesis of the problem lies... it's not gun ownership.
More families with guns in the past than today. But we didn't have mass murderers targeting school children until recently.
That offer a hint where the problem lies... it's not gun ownership.
I don’t disagree with you. Look at DeFeo, they guy who murdered his family at Amityville. He was clearly possessed by an evil force. Look at Hitler. Look at Manson. I don’t deny for one minute that evil and demonic forces are at work in this world. In the case of Adam Lanza, it seems to me he had severe mental illness. My point is we need to discuss THIS PART of the equation....otherwise.....the liberals will use these massacres to push their agenda which is of course to take away the right of private citizens to keep and bear arms.
I cant shake the feeling BS/BOs friends had something to do with the massacre to try and take away firearms.
If you read the Bible, than you know that Jesus recognized and spoke of Satan. I have run in to many “Christians” who say there is no Satan, and who think that God is a big, fat Buddha God who sits in heaven and laughs at the antics of the people here on earth.
We need better mental health—we once had it—but look around at all the crazies wandering the streets—this isn’t healthy or good for them. This poor loner should have been in an Asylum for the insane—as long ago. He saw spotted as a student. Yes, schools should be better armed as well. We must protect what we value.
So would you lock up all loners? Who decides which ones get locked up? A doctor? A jury of peers? Doesn’t seem to me that locking this guy up would have been constitutional. Heck, even if he was locked up, Satan simply would have chosen the model citizen involved in politics and community service to do his work... kind of like John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy back in the days when people were in fact locked up for no reason. Maybe we should bring back witch trials while we are at it.
Has there been any information published about the religious practices of the shooter and his mother?
Disagree. The cause was demonic possession. There is no legitimate psychological explanation for shooting up a kindergarten class.
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Disagree. The other poster was correct (IMO). This is about mental illness.
You pretty much say it yourself... no legitimate psychological explanation. Exactly right. Hence, a psychotic state. Have you ever seen a person in one? I have. Too many times. And what they see and believe cannot be described or explained. My mother (RIP) suffered from bipolar disorder, and became dangerously psychotic when she went off of her meds.
How would you propose dealing with those suffering ‘demonic possession’ as opposed to those who are mentally ill? And how do we tell the difference?
I don’t know what the answer is or if there is one. I want to continue living in a free country where I can own weapons and choose to be a loner without a doctor or relative having the ability to lock me up without due process. And demonic possession is real. I am not even a religious man... you can check my post history, but there is no way a human brain can trick itself to do this. It wasn’t like Columbine where the shooters thought they were settling a score with peers who wronged and outcast them.
Strict gun control works great in Mexico! 54,000 dead in the last six years. The U.S. Gov helping out by supplying thousands of true assault rifles to the international drug cartel terrorist crime syndicates.
You have never talked to a schizophrenic have you?
choose to be a loner without a doctor or relative having the ability to lock me up without due process.
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I can see you’ve never had to deal with the mental health system.
Only 2 ways to get someone locked up (and even then only for 72 hours) - at least here in Maryland.
1) take the person to the ER, wait an eternity for the attending psychiatrist to examine the patient, and declare them a danger to self/others for an involuntary stay, or to agree to be admitted on their own.
2) Go to the circuit court and swear out a warrant for observation, and the cops pick the individual up and take them to the nearest hospital for observation (at which point it looks like #1 above).
In either scenario, within 72 hours a hearing with a master must be held, and they lean VERY strongly in favor of the patient, in terms of keeping them or releasing them.
I have to say that you have no idea what the human brain can convince itself of (and I count that as a really good thing). It completely freaked me out on more than one occasion. Their delusions are absolutely real to them.
That’s really not much of a statement without a time window included. If it ever happens again, the author can say, ‘see, I told you’, and if it doesn’t, then he says to just wait.
You have never talked to a schizophrenic have you?
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An unbelievable experience that will have the sanest individuals questioning their own sanity.
That being said, my experience is limited to a dangerously psychotic bipolar individual.
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