Skip to comments.Psych meds linked to 90% of school shootings
Posted on 12/19/2012 5:07:41 AM PST by detective
From the moment news emerged Friday that a young man had carried out a horrific massacre of elementary-school children, politicians from local city halls to the White House have been restoking the age-old push for more gun control. While guns have been a common denominator in mass slayings at schools by teens, theres another familiar element that seems increasingly to be minimized.
Some 90 percent of school shootings over more than a decade have been linked to a widely prescribed type of antidepressant called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, according to British psychiatrist Dr. David Healy, a founder of RxISK.org, an independent website for researching and reporting on prescription drugs.
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The MSM and politicians blame honest law abiding Americans for this and other recent tragedies. They ignore what is actually happening.
Not only that, but it is horrible policy to allow mentally unstable people out in public where they can be a threat to society if they don’t take their meds.
People thought out-patient therapy and pharmacology would be enough to deal with mental illness, and they were wrong.
However, lets continue to ignore that and ban guns, since Obamacare already got passed and we don’t need the mentally ill as a talking point anymore.
nonsense, it’s dem white devils what be making all de trouble. It da white man. de white man I tell tou.
OK, lets be honest, we all knew it was a white guy when it happens. It nearly always is.
We need to re-create the 100K+ mental health beds we had in the 1950s, and then put the deeply disturbed and most of the homeless there.
We can fund it by deflating the nanny state probing the overall populace and cutting school administration by 2/3.
psychiatry and psychology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. These psychologists and psychiatrists are a danger to society.
Yes, all they really need is a few thousand dollars of auditing to get "clear" and get rid of their body thetans and they'll be fine. L Ron told me so. < /Heavy dripping sarcasm >
The sad reality is that, no amount of gun control laws is going to prevent future shootings and the reality is that these meds just do not work, they make things worse.
Plus also we are dealing not only with medical issues, but issues of “spritual warfare”.
Rodrick Shonte Dantzler. Bet you never heard of him.
I read yesterday the police had found no evidence of medication in the Lanza home and were getting a warrant for medical records. Not sure that we can confirm yet that this one was on SSRI’s..
That said, I also read that the first mass murder shooting in a school occurred in 1990. The first SSRI, Prozac, went on the market in 1988.
I take it you are one. Look even your medical brothers call you witch doctors. It is a spiritual issue. Not one that could be cured with scientology.
And, while not to disparage your shot at Scientology, most people also know that the signal that those undergoing therapy are “cured” is that they are out of money.
I’m fortunate to not have much experience with psyc-related fields. About my only personal observation is that all the psyc majors in college were bat-guano crazy.
So I’m curious exactly how much training these professionals have in chemistry/pharmacology (both initially and during the course of their careers to update their training) before they’re allowed to hand out prescriptions for dangerous meds seemingly like they hand out Halloween candy.
I can’t seem to get a script for a simple common allery medication that has minimal side effects without an impramtur from a MD/DO.
impramtur = impramatur
I’ll concede that a LOT of present day psychology is garbage and the result of politicization of a “soft science” field, but there’s nothing about issues like schizophrenia that is “mumbo jumbo”.
I have NO scientific evidence, but I have LONG thought that drugging up our kids is a recipe for disaster, stop-gap for lazy parenting, etc.
I think kids need to work through their social and personal issues in order to learn how to cope and function in society.
The problem with SSRIs is that they can “work” for depression by making you so that you just don’t care about anything, including people. The result is that your life still may suck, but you don’t really give a flip anymore. One can become inured to the feelings or well-being of others. And, what they don’t do, IMO, is restore a sense of joy, fulfillment, or connection to loved ones.
It is easy for me to see how they can certainly increase the possibility of violence in a young, labile, disaffected man. More attention needs to be paid to this possible connection, and people on SSRIs need to be closely scrutinized for signs of sociopathic behavior.
news flash- 90% of school shootings linked to mentally ill people who were being treated for their illness
Let’s just take all the mentally ill off meds and see what happens? In the case of teens, a few good spankings ought
to cure their naughty fantasies
BTW now reported that Adama Lanza was NOT on medication
Adam Lanza would not have qualified for a “bed for the deeply disturbed and homeless”
he had a home, a fulltime caretaker (his mother) and had no criminal record nor public record of being a threat to anyone except himself
and it is reported he was not on meds at the time of his rampage
Maybe meds would have stopped this one, not “caused” it
Have you guys listened to the fast legal speak toward the end of these commercials advertising some of these drugs?
If you experience vivid dreams, mood swings, thoughts of suicide, depression....
I turn to my wife and say, “damn, the drug sounds worse then the condition.”
Causes heightened thoughts of suicide? What’s wrong with this picture?
How about a closer look at the meds before we start handing them out like candy?
A couple of billion dollars of advertising dollars are at stake for the media that come from pharmaceutical companies. How hard will they look at this issue?
How hard will anyone look at the drugging of society with “approved” drugs? The government is all for drugged citizens as long as it is under their control.
One change that is needed is to promptly end the psychiatric privacy rights of dead, obviously guilty, mass shooters. For the rarer surviving mass shooters consider include same as part of their sentences. There is a legit debate as to whether psych meds, and the rest of the mental health system contributed to, or could have prevented mass murder. These perps threw away any right to privacy. We need to understand what was/wasn't done with them by the system so we can improve it. 'Privacy' is blocking that. The fix, at least initially, should include fairly strong liability protection for the system. Currently we need to understand what has been and could be done with potential mass killers much more than we need mass lawsuits and circular firing squads.
Don't limit the fix to mass shooters. The Chicoms had a 20+ mass child stabber the same day as Sandy Hook and the Brit press is trying to ban 'long' kitchen knives. The problem is their abnormal psychology, not which tool they misuse. We neither want mass shootings nor soviet style psych prisons for the innocent. Open investigation of those guilty beyond any doubt may help find a happy medium approach.
“we all knew it was a white guy”
I live in Montgomery County, Maryland.
A few years ago the area where I live had random shootings of school children and others. Everyone in authority assumed it was a white male. There was speculation that it was a conservative gun nut. There was talk of it being someone who was just back from the military. The same theme was repeated over and over again.
It turns out it was two African Americans who were Muslims. There were witnesses who saw them. They were ignored. Innocent people probably died because false assumptions stopped them from apprehending the actual perpetrators.
Almost all violent crime in America is committed by blacks and Hispanics. It is rarely reported by the MSM.
Take all the mentally ill off meds and point them towards D.C.
they should feel right at home there.
From my personal experience, each and every prescription is written by the patient’s physician and patients require med checks on a monthly basis or as doctor determines for each case
when discussing psych meds, it is interesting how many Freepers assume
1) the drug companies are evil and profit driven
2) psych meds caue people to become more crazy, not less crazy
2) the physicians who manage mentally ill patients are all incompetent stooges
3) bad parenting is an underlying cause of mental illness
3) it’s all part of a government plan
You paint with a broad brush. I don’t need paint.
Do you support government mandating inoculations?
I love the drug companies until they crawl into bed with the maniacs who get elected to represent us to further their profits and crush their competitors.
you do not want to wander the streets of DC after dark or you will get to face untreated (or self treated, ie with alcohol and drugs) mental illness up close and personal
But there is St Elizabeth’s for certain high profile nutjobs, like John Hinckley. The people who work in mental hospitals are saints on earth
Did you know that Abe Lincoln (a severe depressive himself) told his wife Mary Todd Lincoln, mourning the death of their child, to take a look out the window at St E’s, that was where she was heading if she didn’t recover her senses soon
Chicken vs egg.
Cause or effect
Attempts to treat crazy sometimes fail does not mean attempts to treat crazy always fail.
Was treatment too little too late?
Unfortunately using drugs to make people “manageable” is not only applied to our young people, but also the elderly (who are no threat with guns)/
If you don’t believe me, go visit a nursing home.
I do support the “government mandating innoculations” for citizens engagingn in certain activities, like adminstering public health services, entering military service and sending their kids to public school
Having had 2 cases of Whooping Cough this month in my DD’s high school because the authorities were too PC to demand the illegal immigrants produce valid immunization records for their kids
I will listen to generic rants against psych meds only from people who have lived with diagnosed mental illness up close and personal, terated and untreated - the rest of you can huff and puff about internet articles all you want - after all, it must be true if it’s on the internet!
Psych meds suppress the symptoms of a much deeper problem. The problem remains, but the person walks around with a happy face and the psychologists are happy.
I often wonder how supposedly intelligent people can make such colossal mistakes.
If you have an unstable person, and give him meds, he is still an unstable person, but no one sees the instability.
I'm an engineer. From my viewpoint mental health issues are dealt with by designing proper containment systems. (lol)
Your original post read as if it was straight out of the scientology posting guide. And so I responded as I would to any scientologist: ridicule.
Did you support Rick Perry’s proposed vaccine for the human papillomavirus? You could opt out of the program, if you had the right information. Many would not have that information.
Once our out of control government starts flexing their muscles because they own your health, your health care and your body, the sky is the limit.
Once you have granted government the right to certain parts of your freedom, you have granted them the right to all of your freedom.
Sigh. It’s already been one of those days...
Thanks for the correction!
I like your response. Many years ago I was diagnosed with a panic disorder, caused by genetics as well as thyroid problems. The properly prescribed meds were a lifesaver at the time. I am now an NRA member and a responsible gun owner. I have never held a violent thought toward any innocent soul in my life. Let’s be careful before we label anyone who has needed help with mental health issues a kook. All medicine is not bad. Misused and nonprescribed, yes!
It’s been reported the LE didn’t find any meds at the home.
100% of these events were caused by sick wackos.
This can be, but is not always (nor even often) true.
The vast vast majority of people on psych meds live perfectly normal lives. They suffer from a chemical imbalance that is corrected by the med. As long as they are on the meds they are fine. I know bunches of folks like this.
I also know a few people who were on the meds for a while until their system "rebalanced" itself and they no longer needed the meds.
Unfortunately most of these meds have side effects which can range from beneficial (Wellbutrin is known to increase sex drive in some people) to down right horrendous (suicidal, impulsive self damaging, permanent motor ticks and glitches etc).
So all of them require pretty regular (monthly or quarterly) doctor's supervision. Making sure the drug does what it's supposed to do without causing bad side effects. Sometimes it takes several tries to find the particular drug that works for the particular patient
The problems with pschyologists/psychiatrists happens when they get lazy and don't invest the time into their patients to understand what is really going on.
A little of my experience in this world. My wife passed away about 7 years ago (there's a thread on here in the archives where most of this is discussed). Prior to her death she dealt with some mental issues brought on by (we assume anyways) a brain surgery that she had to control her epilepsy (she was having up to 20 seizures a day pre surgery and had only about 7 after the surgery).
The problem is that after brain surgery they routinely put people on an anti-depressant. She reacted badly to the first one (it gave her gastric problems), the second one seemed ok but then she got manic (Apparently this was a recognized side effect in .4% of the people taking it). Rather than investigate what was causing it the psych put her on ativan to combat the mania. Turns out that ativan casues suicidal depression in something like .04% of the people taking it. Of course my wife fell into the percentage.
It took several months to figure out what the probelm was as she cycled from manic to depressed. We went to I think 7 different doctors for various things during that time frame, including a short term mental health residential facility, and no one looked at the drug interactions (because these particular effects were so rare). They'd adjust the meds until the symptoms went away and then dischareg her. Finally I charted her behaviors against when we started, stopped or changed the dosage of the drugs. Obvious drug interaction problems. Her psychiatrist agreed with me right off the bat and we were able to wean her off most of the drugs and get her just about back to normal
(There were some extenuating circumstances that messed her up. She had been subjected to a "faith healer" who was essentially just a hypnotist during the time she was on the drugs and the suggestions went way deep as she was already opened up by the drugs)
She ended up dying of a siezure unrelated to the drug mess (any seizure can kill you, she had had thousands during our years together, any one of them could have killed her. God decides who lives and dies)
Were the drugs evil? No. Were the doctors evil? No. (A bit lazy and in one case incompetent, but not evil.)
The lesson learned?
1. Do not let them put you on a drug unless you know you really need it. (She did not need the anti-depressent after the surgery. If she would have show symptoms then, and only then, would the drug be needed.) 2. Read the drug literature and know all the side effects of any drug they put you on. Watch for these effects and discuss them with your doctor asap. Don't add a med until you are sure that the new symptom is NOT caused by any med you're already on. 3.YOU and you alone are responsible for your health. You make the decisions, not the doctor. If something doesn't look right or feel right, ask questions. Make sure you understand exactly what is going on before you leave the doctor's office. Don't let him bully you into doing something you don't understand or don't feel right about.
Most of our doctors are over scheduled and don't (can't) spend the time with each patient that they should. (and obamacare is going to make this far worse). They have good intentions but can't make the system work unless we are active participants in our health care.
(I missed this before.) In many cases you are right, it can be spiritual. But we have to treat the symptoms at the same time we are working on the cure. Sometimes God heals instantaneously, other times it takes a while. Leaving someone damaged and unable to function while a simple med can help them live a normal life while we are waiting for God to heal them would be wrong.
Look at it like someone who had a serious bleeding wound. Can God heal that? Of course He can, and I've seen Him do so, but while we are praying for the healing we had better do what we can to stop the bleeding.
In my other post I mentioned people who were on the drugs but were rebalanced and didn't need them any more. In at least two of those cases I know that God healed them.
All SSRIs now have the "Black Box Warning"
The FDA requires a black box warning on all antidepressants because of an increased risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in young adults ages 18 to 24 during initial treatment - generally the first one to two months of therapy.
It's known that these drugs can cause such reaction in some people, but I guess it's believed that the overall benefits outweigh the dangers, or the profits are too great, or something.
Excellant summation, and I agree. Sorry you had to experience all that with your wife.
We are in charge and need to know and question what any Dr. prescribes. Dr's. too are held accountable if they DO NOT prescribe certain MEDS and something happens later.
If we decline a MED, that gives the DR. the waiver he needs to protect him or herself. I have refused many drugs & tests and my Dr. is fine with that.
I first try to find out what I am doing different that caused the problem, and more than once I have self diagnosed and cured myself.
That is why I will never take the FLU shot, it killed my dad. Gullain-barra, horrible death. Have talked with many in the Medical field that say they too will not take that shot. This of course is just what I do, not a recommendation to anyone if they so desire.
Yes, I have. After seeing all the harmful side affects, do some people say "Oh yeah, give me some of that stuff".
But obviously they must be selling a lot of it to continue on with the commercials.
Right after the Drug Commercial comes the Attorneys...."have you been diagnosed with (whatever) due to taking Drug (so and so), if so call me.....
You have mail. Best regards...
That irrational acts correllate strongly with significant mental illness is obvious. But blaming psychiatric drugs for causing the effects of mental illness is like blaming plaster casts for broken bones.
I suspect that in 99.99% of cases, patients referred for mental health treatment who end up on “psyche drugs” have demonstrated mental illness beforehand. Psychiatric meds might be “overprescribed”, or not. Is there a basis for either assertion?
From observing the travails of local bipolar and other individuals on Prozac type meds, I could readily believe that:
1) it is very difficult to find the “right mix” of meds;
2) the “right mix” changes over time as the patients, especially young ones, age, react, and change biochemically;
3) the patients dislike the side effects and often manage not to take the drugs consistently or at all;
4) coming off the drugs is especially dangerous (here is where it might be argued that the drugs have a role in causing violent episodes, but that risks underevaluating what the patients might have done without meds);
5) psyche drugs don’t always work or work the same for all patients;
6) in a lot of cases, the desire to avoid institutionalizing the patient causes irrational expectations that drugs can fix an intractable problem; and,
7) we hear of the disasters, but the successes go unseen. What would be interesting are real stats on how many cases are out there, how many are “successfully” treated with meds compared to failures, etc.
I think you and others have gotten this just bass-ackwards. It is the SSRIs that are causing the raging outbursts and/with suicides, not suppressing them. Read Robert Whitaker's "Anatomy of an Epidemic" which documents the overwhelming epidemic of abnormal symptoms caused by the psychopharmaneutical "revolution" rather than alleviating them with pills.
Those medicated are often justly refusing to dose themselves with the medicines that they know are making them worse.
SSRIs are for people with depression, anxiety, and issues like OCD. Paranoid schizophrenics need to take Anti-psychotics, which is hard to do when they suffer paranoid delusions.
Since mentally ill people have “rights”, they don’t get involuntarily committed anymore and instead roam the streets or are left to family members to try and cope.
SSRIs can cause averse reactions in people, but that comes nowhere near to being close to explaining away it all.
I agree drug prescriptions are overly relied upon by incompetent medical professionals, but the fact is certain people NEED to take medication to be dealt with, and psychiatric institutes are the best place for such long-term patients.