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Jewish Leaders Slam NRA Plan for More Guns
forward.com ^ | December 21, 2012 | Seth Berkman

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:32:22 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

The powerful gun rights lobby went on the offensive on Friday arguing that schools should have armed guards, on a day that Americans remembered the victims of the Newtown, Connecticut school massacre with a moment of silence.

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” said Wayne LaPierre, chief executive of the National Rifle Association, noting that banks and airports are patrolled by armed guards, while schools typically are not.

His remarks - in which he charged that the news media and violent video games shared blame for the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history - were twice interrupted by protesters who unfurled signs and shouted “stop the killing.”

Speaking in Washington, LaPierre urged lawmakers to station armed police officers in all schools by the time students return from the Christmas break in January. LaPierre did not take questions from reporters.

Response from the Jewish community was swift and critical of LaPierre’s statements. “It was outrageous, I must say, even for them,” said Rabbi Julie Schonfeld, executive vice president of the Rabbinical Assembly. Schonfeld said the NRA’s statement contained a “total absence of any sense of the common good or moral responsibility.”

“Judaism is very clear in that you don’t provide weapons to people who are likely to harm you,” Schonfeld added.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg issued a statement that said, “The NRA’s Washington leadership has long been out of step with its members, and never has that been so apparent as this morning. Their press conference was a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country. Instead of offering solutions to a problem they have helped create, they offered a paranoid, dystopian vision of a more dangerous and violent America where everyone is armed and no place is safe.”

Congressman Jerrold Nadler called the NRA’s response to the Newtown shootings as, “both ludicrous and insulting,” and called the NRA “fundamentally out of step with the American people on the issue of gun violence.”

Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center, also condemned the response and dismissed laying blame on violent video games as a root cause of increased violence. “Yes, there’s far too much violence in our entertainment, and it corrodes our children’s souls, and we have to change tha,t and religious communities can be helpful,” Saperstein said. “But in scores of other nations who see the same films, play the same video games, they don’t got take their mother’s legally acquired Bushmaster rifle and walk into schools and shoot people. The difference between those countries and ours is the availability of weapons.”

The blog, New Voices, printed an editorial this morning that called gun violence a Jewish issue and a student issue.

Earlier on Friday, church bells rang out in tree-lined suburban Newtown and up and down the East Coast at 9:30 a.m. EST (1430 GMT) in memory of the victims of the attack on Dec. 14 in which 28 people, including the gunman, were killed.

LaPierre’s comments came at the end of a week when President Barack Obama commissioned a new White House task force to find a way to quell violence, a challenge in a nation with a strong culture of individual gun ownership.

“We have to have a comprehensive way in which to respond to the mass murder of our children that we saw in Connecticut,” Vice President Joe Biden, who heads the task force, said on Thursday.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms and hundreds of millions of weapons are in private hands.

About 11,100 Americans died in gun-related killings in 2011, not including suicides, according to preliminary data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Some U.S. lawmakers called for swift passage of an assault weapons ban. Some Newtown residents have already launched an effort aimed at tightening rules on gun ownership.

“What I feel is a sense of guilt because I’ve been a strong advocate of gun control for years,” said John Dewees, 61, who was in downtown Newtown, where a makeshift memorial rose several feet around two Christmas trees with teddy bears and flower bouquets. “I wish I’d been more vocal. You wonder, had we all been, could we have averted this?”

SHATTERED ILLUSION OF SAFETY

The attack, which killed 20 first graders ages 6 and 7, shattered the illusion of safety in this close-knit town of 27,000 people where many residents knew someone affected by the attacks.

“There’s just so many connections,” said Jay Petrusaitis, whose son was in the same high school class as the gunman.

Churches as far south as Florida and at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C., rang their bells.

Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy had called for residents of his state to observe the moment of silence to mark a week since a 20-year-old gunman killed his mother and then stormed Sandy Hook Elementary School. He killed a total of 28 people that day, including six school teachers and staff in a rampage that ended when he turned his gun on himself.

Governors in Maine, Illinois, Michigan and several other states also called for moments of silence.

The gunman, Adam Lanza, used a military-style assault rifle and police said he carried hundreds of bullets in high-capacity magazines, as well as two handguns.

The weapons were legally purchased and registered to his mother, Nancy, his first victim.


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Jewish American rabbis join gun control call - December 12, 2012 - Top figures from the Reform, Conservative and Orthodox movements in the United States joined an interfaith call for greater gun controls in the wake of last week's school massacre in Connecticut.

Rabbi David Saperstein, who directs the Reform movement's Religious Action Center, and Rabbi Julie Schonfeld, who directs the Conservative movement's Rabbinical Assembly, appeared at a press conference Friday outside the National Cathedral in Washington D.C. along with mainline Protestant, Evangelical, Roman Catholic and Muslim leaders.

Also appearing at the press conference was Nathan Diament, who directs the Orthodox Union's Washington office.

"We must come together as people of faith, representing the range of religious traditions throughout our country, in a collective call to action to end this crisis,” Saperstein said in a release ahead of the press conference. “The time to end senseless gun violence is now, and as religious leaders, the responsibility to provide moral leadership is ours.”

At the press conference, Saperstein said, "Our worship of guns is a form of idolatry."


1 posted on 12/21/2012 7:32:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gun control worked out really well for the Jews in Germany didn’t it. These modern Judenrat are pushing for a repeat.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 7:35:00 PM PST by fso301
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Jewish leaders?

Is that like Black leaders?


3 posted on 12/21/2012 7:35:13 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What type of gun restrictions are there in Israel? Maybe they need to be more strict? We’ll see if these leaders like that.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 7:35:19 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If I live to be a hundred and fifty, I will NEVER understand the whole Jewish American attitude toward firearms when considered in the light of World War II, and all the many and various acts of oppression directed at Jews over the centuries.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 7:35:34 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Eaker

Great point!


6 posted on 12/21/2012 7:37:07 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Schonfeld said the NRA’s statement contained a “total absence of any sense of the common good or moral responsibility.”

Can you explain the common good or moral responsibility for the massacre in Newtown, dimwit?

7 posted on 12/21/2012 7:40:10 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I guess the secret service doesn't need those weapons, nor the FBI, nor the police, nor...I think you get the idea.
8 posted on 12/21/2012 7:41:12 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“It was outrageous, I must say, even for them,” said Rabbi Julie Schonfeld, executive vice president of the Rabbinical Assembly. Schonfeld said the NRA’s statement contained a “total absence of any sense of the common good or moral responsibility.”

Rabbi hasn't been to Israel lately. Teachers carry rifles over their shoulders when taking the kiddies on a field trip. I have never heard of a mass shooting in Israeli schools. In fact, I don't know if I have ever heard of a "mass" shooting in Israel. I expect that a criminal intent on killing many people with a firearm doesn't get too many rounds off before the return fire starts to air out is innards.

9 posted on 12/21/2012 7:42:00 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Eaker

Is that like Black leaders?

YES!!!
This be da left and I surely do wish they would stop calling themselves Jews...because they ain’t.
Rabbi Julie Schonfeld is like Fatheress leticia dalrumple or popess benita macaroni.


10 posted on 12/21/2012 7:42:41 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Babi Yar
Warsaw Ghetto

The shortage of guns in these incidents was a good thing?

11 posted on 12/21/2012 7:43:16 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obviously the good Rabbi just needs a hot shower and a delousing.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 7:45:07 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Jack Hammer

Don’t judge all of us by the leftist jinos in America. There’s them...and there’s the REST of us that no one ever counts...and there are more of us than you think.


13 posted on 12/21/2012 7:47:23 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There are a lot of rabbis in the USA and a lot of Jewish groups from Orthodox, strong Republican, anti-big government/big brother to the extreme left like J-Street. The MSM publicizes the views of those that please their readers and support their own agenda.

Of of this group, Nathan Diament, was a schoolmate of Obama, has close ties to him, and runs interference for him to Jewish groups. Maybe there is some payback to the Jewish community in Washington as he claims - maybe something more nefarious.


14 posted on 12/21/2012 7:50:44 PM PST by expat1000
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Talk about not learning from history...


15 posted on 12/21/2012 7:50:44 PM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I am going to try to remain a classy conservative female here on FR...the “Jewish Leaders” can SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!


16 posted on 12/21/2012 7:51:10 PM PST by joesjane ((The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
So, the rabbis would prefer that the young children cower in the corner waiting on the mad man to shoot them.

These people simply are incapable of understanding love ~ everyone but them wants a security force protecting the schools.

17 posted on 12/21/2012 7:51:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tenacious 1

Last school shooting in Israel..1974...that’s when they made sure the staff was armed.


18 posted on 12/21/2012 7:51:28 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Calm down, he'd never think of gun confiscation. Pinkie square.

19 posted on 12/21/2012 7:54:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That attitude from the Jewish Rabbis is why 6 million died. They need to go back home to Israel and see how those children are protected every day by guns in schools.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 7:55:01 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: fso301

They prefer being gassed to being shot?


21 posted on 12/21/2012 7:57:06 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SpaceBar

They won’t do that, he’s a good Kapo.


22 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:20 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Eaker; Yehuda

Meet rabbess julie who has about as much business calling herself a rabbi as obama has calling hisself a Christian.
23 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:35 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: fso301
The Jewish Daily FORWARD has been a
communist rag for over a hundred years.

24 posted on 12/21/2012 7:59:49 PM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

These people are literally insane. I know some of us often quip that liberalism is a mental illness, but that is no longer a quip.

It is REALITY.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 8:00:58 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If you would have had them when Hitler was around...


26 posted on 12/21/2012 8:01:48 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Rabbi Julie Schonfeld, said the NRA’s statement contained a “total absence of any sense of the common good or moral responsibility.”

All the demented deviates, nutcases, sicko's, and the twisted violent lumberheads agree with the Rabbi.

27 posted on 12/21/2012 8:05:29 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MestaMachine

The older I get the less I know.

At least physics isn’t changing so I can keep my job.


28 posted on 12/21/2012 8:10:12 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What a load of Hooey.

Da Juice would not even have an effective biomass as a human sub species if it were not for Zionists who bear arms
in defence of their people, they would have bene wiped out by Nazis and Muslims.


29 posted on 12/21/2012 8:12:36 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I disagree both with these Leftist, Jewish "leaders" and the NRA. We don't need our public schools becoming more and more like prisons as the trend has become. It should be the teachers who should be allowed to be the frontline defense just like they do in Israel. Now how far do you think Mr. Lanza would have gotten if this was the case?



There were actually two Israeli school shootings carried out by the deranged Muzzies.
The first one was the Avivim school bus massacre in 1970 and the other was the Ma'alot massacre in 1974.
30 posted on 12/21/2012 8:12:49 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Eaker

Give it time....


31 posted on 12/21/2012 8:13:53 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Alaska Wolf

She also said that “Jews don’t believe in giving weapons to those who would harm us” (sic). I guess she means any police officers or teachers would guard a school. What a dope.


32 posted on 12/21/2012 8:14:51 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Eaker

>> Jewish leaders?

>> Is that like Black leaders?

Let’s revisit Hitler’s use of the Jews willing to betray their blood.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 8:16:15 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: lonestar

That’s a nasty comment.

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34 posted on 12/21/2012 8:22:35 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears

That’s not a nasty comment but actually a very good question for the Leftist Yids.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 8:30:35 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

The problem is that the American Jews have no sense of reality about Israel for they don’t stand with Israel which is odd as they sided with our PoS 0b0z0. It seems that they would rather see a reoccurrance of the past than face what is truly happening today. This administration is evil and if he finds a way to disarm the American people, he will be just like Stalin towards Christians, Jews, veterans and former police officers who still believe in the oath they made to defend the U.S.Constitution foreign and domestic.


36 posted on 12/21/2012 8:43:11 PM PST by grcuster
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To: Eaker

any american liberal jew is liberal first and jewish a distant second. all of them are KAPOs and completely ignorant of history and ashamed of israel.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 8:43:44 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Stupid U.S. Jewish Leaders?

Here is Israel’s solution to school shootings:

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/Portals/0/121217_armedteachers.jpg

Article:

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx


38 posted on 12/21/2012 8:45:25 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“Judaism is very clear in that you don’t provide weapons to people who are likely to harm you,” Schonfeld added.

Ironically enough Naziism held exactly the same position.
39 posted on 12/21/2012 8:48:53 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Jack Hammer

To #5: Not all Jews are fools or cowards. There are a lot of Jewish policemen, soldiers, and in other law enforcement positions, including my son who is a combat veteran of Iraq.

However, you only hear from the wacko leftists like Saperstein or liberal no-nothings like Bloomturd and Nadler and some of the Jewish organization leaders who forget that Jews have been specifically targetted for death by Islamic jihadists in the US (LAX, Seattle Jewish building, Kahane - by Al Qaeda operative); Orthodox Jews in NYC by black gangs; Synagogues firebombed or shot up; Jewish leaders targetted for assassination by all kinds of extremists from White to Black to Moslem, etc).

Some of us are armed and willing to use them to defend our family, friends, neighbors, schools, shuals, churches and the stranger.

Some of us learned the lessons of the Holocaust which explained why we don’t have European families anymore.

NEVER AGAIN!


40 posted on 12/21/2012 8:50:37 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Jack Hydrazine
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41 posted on 12/21/2012 8:58:11 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: SpaceBar
Obviously the good Rabbi just needs a hot shower and a delousing.

He maybe get it... and the REST of us too...

Auschwitz style.

42 posted on 12/21/2012 8:59:24 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: MtnMan101

Thanks!


43 posted on 12/21/2012 9:01:05 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: fso301

https://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/secure/donate.aspx

FUBO


44 posted on 12/21/2012 9:04:16 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; Jack Hammer
Not all Jews are fools or cowards.

Let's not single out Jews for being "stupid"

The majority of people don't learn from history's evil.

Most people act as if the world didn't exist and time began the day they were born.

And schools and society in general enourage the pitiful situation because it promotes the ideal that each one is "special"


45 posted on 12/21/2012 9:08:44 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership
46 posted on 12/21/2012 9:15:42 PM PST by nralife (www.fireholder.com)
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To: Mears

You don’t think they should be the last to oppose gun control? Didn’t they learn the last time? What conclusion would did you come to?


47 posted on 12/21/2012 9:17:52 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: expat1000

“There are a lot of rabbis in the USA and a lot of Jewish groups from Orthodox, strong Republican, anti-big government/big brother ...”

The political equivalent of bigfoot. They are rumored to exist but are never seen and there are certainly not enough of them to make a difference.


48 posted on 12/21/2012 9:23:30 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: MestaMachine

I think it’s just a case of Americans, regardless of their ancestry or roots, have just become as dumb as dumb can be.

This country isn’t going to be doing much outside of falling down very hard.


49 posted on 12/21/2012 9:44:58 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lonestar

lonestar, I am surprised at you. How many Jews besides me do you think are contributing members of this forum? How many of them are hardcore conservatives like me? And where do you think we all come from? We don’t all live in New York or Florida.


50 posted on 12/21/2012 10:21:14 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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