It is the religiously oriented education that is going "beyond" and the secular and godless education that is constricted and narrow.
The only way to avoid any non-neutrality in the content of what children are taught is to have the children taught by robots.
Exactly! It is impossible to have a politically, culturally, and religiously neutral education. The content of an education can NOT be neutral in content or consequences. It is for this reason that government should get out of the K-12 education business because by engaging in education government will establish the political, cultural, and religious worldview of the most political active and trash the freedom of conscience of the less powerful.
Since we now have plenty of experience with vouchers, tax credits, and privately owned charters there is no reason to delay beginning the process of complete privatization. ( Except to preserve the pay checks and pensions of the government school defenders who frequent these threads.)
ou probably support parents doing the teaching, but that is only acceptable if we assume that the parents have the perfect knowledge of true religion.
Show me the studies that institutional schools teach anything. Please do this. No educator, in the many years I have been posting on the Internet, has ever provided me with these studies. It is just **assumed** that institutional schools are effective and NO measure of the considerable pre-school work, home support of the parents, hard work of the child in the home, and private tutoring has ever been done. It is interesting that when a school proudly proclaims itself to be a "good" school, it never cites how many students are attending private tutoring.
My conclusion: If you know of an academically successful child, whether institutionalized or home educated, that child has had significant parental "homeschooling" ( sometimes called, "afterschooling"). It is my observation that there is absolutely NO difference in the home study habits, the amount of time spent studying in the home, and parental input between academically successful institutionalized children and successful homeschoolers. I doubt any educator will have the curiosity to look into it.
but that is only acceptable if we assume that the parents have the perfect knowledge of true religion
If you can find a perfect human with perfect knowledge either inside or outside institutionalized schooling please let us know. Take a video. Post it on Youtube. Personally, I only expect to see this happen in the Second Coming.
Otherwise, you have muslim parents teaching their faith to children, which hardly seems superior to the agnostic teachings of a typical public school.
Gee! It used to be witches that government school defenders used to uphold those freedom of conscience abominations that are misnamed "public" schools. Now, the scary bogeyman is.... (Ooh!) ...MUSLIMS!)
Islam is an immigration problem. Atheistic government schools are NOT the answer to Islam. The Germans, French, and English experience confirms this. Restrict the ingress of Muslims and there will be far less of a Muslim problem.
As for religion and Islam, the best defense against it is to have citizens who are firm in their faith and can solidly defend their faith intellectually and spiritually. They will never get this in an atheistic government school. On the contrary, they will be taught to think godlessly. They must do this just to cooperate in the classroom and with the godless curriculum.
I’m just trying to figure out your point, but you keep broadening the discussion without much clarification.
You agree that no parent can correctly teach their child, but that no school could do so either. And that no public school can teach anything, but also that public school teaches all the wrong things. And that there wouldn’t be any muslim parents teaching their children if we didn’t have immigration, as if there are no american-born muslims.
And you keep wrapping it around some general attack on public schools, for which any question about your statements is seen as a defense of those schools.
I am a product of Public schools. I am a strong supporter of home schooling. I support school vouchers. I taught my children many things. They also have taught me things.
One thing I can say for certain — your claim that no public school has ever taught anybody anything is absurd. I learned a great many things from the teachers at the schools I attended. I know how to build a transistor radio, and how to differentiate and integrate. Interestingly, there is nothing particularly religious in a math class — but in my public college Calculus class, the teacher assigned us a paper based on a clear Christian message, because he used that opportunity to evangelize his class.
I suppose if you stay away from practical learning or hard science and math, you might well find that schools can be problematic from a religious perspective. There is nothing particularly religious about quantum equations, magnetic field theory, or the Ott thermal cycle.
But it is stupid to say that only a parent could teach anything to a child. After all, teachers are often parents as well. Your argument is that they could easily teach their own children things, but it would be impossible for them to teach any other child.
BTW, Virginia, which has a strong home-schooling tradition, allows for group schooling within the home school community. IT appears you would object to that, because obviously one parent couldn’t really take all those kids and teach them, since they can only teach their OWN children.
But in the real world, that form of homeschooling works, broadens the horizon of the students. They can take field trips together, and horror of horrors for you, even go places where some professional will actually teach them something that their parents might not know.
My kids both went through public school. I think as a parent who could teach my own kids, it was easier that way. If I was incapable of fixing the errors my kids might learn in school, I’d have to consider sending them to a private religious school.
But they won’t be my kids forever. School taught me how to understand my faith, to defend my faith, and to recognize false teaching in others.