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Cops in Schools
NRO ^ | December 31, 2012 | Eliana Johnson

Posted on 12/31/2012 9:25:35 PM PST by Kaslin

The NRA’s executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, has been the subject of Beltway ire for his proposal to put police officers in schools across the country; the White House, lawmakers, and political analysts on both sides of the aisle have summarily denounced him. Rewind just 13 years, though, and many of these lawmakers were cheering a proposal that bears a remarkable resemblance to the one set forth by the NRA: President Clinton’s “COPS in Schools” program.

In October 1998, Clinton announced the $60 million grant program, which was housed in the Department of Justice’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS). “This initiative provides communities with a new tool to tackle crime and violence in our schools,” he said. According to the Justice Department, the program was intended to help police officers “engage in community policing in and around primary and secondary schools,” and the government spent over $753 million to hire more than 6,500 school police officers before the COPS in Schools program was cut in 2005.

In the wake of the April 1999 shootings at Columbine High School, Clinton intensified his efforts in behalf of the program and used the first anniversary of the Columbine shooting to announce additional funding. In his weekly radio address on April 16, 2000, Clinton said, “In our national struggle against youth violence, we must not fail our children.” He continued, “Already, [COPS in Schools] has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need.”

Several of those who are now critical of the NRA’s plan expressed their support for Clinton’s program and benefited from it. Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district was one of the first to receive funding through the program: $3.25 million for 26 new police officers, to be exact. As a whole, California, also home of Dianne Feinstein, received $5.6 million in grants from the COPS in Schools program in 1999 alone.

Touting the grants set to be distributed to several New York state school districts in 2004, Senator Chuck Schumer acknowledged that “we live in a different world now than we did 20, 30, or even three years ago” and said that the new realities are forcing parents to think constantly about the safety of their children. “Getting more police officers on school grounds will go a long way toward making sure our kids stay out of harm’s way,” he said. Schumer assailed the Bush administration’s 2005 budget for doing away with the COPS in Schools program and, in doing so, attested to its efficacy. “Thanks to COPS, people feel safer with their children on the streets today,” he said in a press release in May 2004. “But now the Administration has proposed ending the program and taking away funding to hire thousands of police officers just when they are needed most. Why the Administration would want to rip a hole in that sense of security by slashing COPS funding is beyond me.”

Even one of the leading gun-control advocates in Congress, New York congresswoman and anti-gun activist Carolyn McCarthy, had kind words for the COPS in Schools program. McCarthy’s husband was murdered and her son severely injured in a mass shooting. “Our school safety officers that go in, that is probably one of the best programs I have seen in my underserved schools,” she told the House Committee on Homeland Security in 2007. “Relationships are made. The kids feel safer with them around, and we need to do a better job on that, too.”

On the heels of the NRA’s press conference last week, however, the tune from Democrats on Capitol Hill changed. “Now, trying to prevent shootings in schools without talking about guns is like trying to prevent lung cancer without talking about cigarettes,” Schumer told David Gregory on Meet the Press. If Schumer supports both more restrictive gun-control laws and putting police in schools, he failed to make that clear, and his office did not return a call seeking comment.

Pelosi’s hypocrisy was more blatant. “For the NRA and others to sort of shield themselves by saying it’s the mentally ill or something and therefore we have to have more armed cops in the schools or more guns in the school, it just doesn’t make sense,” she said of the organization’s proposal. Her office did not reply to an e-mail seeking comment. McCarthy, whose office also failed to reply to an e-mail seeking comment, charged that the NRA is “out of touch” with the American people.

As for Feinstein, she’s looking to team up with President Clinton in order to draft the gun-control legislation she plans to introduce on the Senate floor. “President Clinton called, and if there’s anything he can do to help, he will do it,” she said in a press conference. Perhaps the former president will refresh her memory about the solution that he and other Democrats embraced to combat gun violence when the political winds were blowing in a different direction.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: arth; banglist; guncontrol; nra; sandyhook; schoolsecurity; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/31/2012 9:25:45 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’m against it.

We should arm principles and existing school officials. We don’t need new government employees.


2 posted on 12/31/2012 9:27:01 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kaslin; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; ...
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3 posted on 12/31/2012 9:28:46 PM PST by narses
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4 posted on 12/31/2012 9:29:36 PM PST by narses
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To: GeronL

Yeah, BRING THE TSA/CPA UNIONS into our school... another way of turning common sense into a rape the kiddies boondoggle, keeping pesky parents out... I can see that happening...

It’s why they were for it and now against it etc...

Let the Carnival continue and make the kiddies participate in it, Sesame street style with the gays and convicts having more say than “parents with emotional clinging chivalrous narcissistic conflicts of interests”... (sarc off)

I can see the BS happening indeed...


5 posted on 01/01/2013 4:44:16 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Kaslin
Oh, and let us make sure the cops have pink little bags and not THESE EVIL ASSAULT PACKS AND ASSAULT GUNS!!!

Zero's ZERO tolerance applies


6 posted on 01/01/2013 4:50:51 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Kaslin
Oh, and let us make sure the cops have pink little bags and not THESE EVIL ASSAULT PACKS AND ASSAULT GUNS!!!

Zero's ZERO tolerance applies. We cannot spoil their drunkenness priviledges, him and bohener stupid, or whatever the frack their names are.


7 posted on 01/01/2013 4:51:48 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: GeronL; metmom; wintertime
We should arm principles principals and existing school officials. We don’t need new government employees. Fixed it for you.

lets examine this a bit more closely.

For as long as I been on Free Republic I have heard the mantra that "ALL" public school employees are money grubbing, gun hating liberal, union thugs, too stupid to hold real jobs, that engage in serial child abuse. (Let me know if I left any thing off)

There have been threads recently comparing public schools to prisons and now it is suddenly okay to arm these miscreant dregs of society to save the lives of children!

In early March of 1999, right after Columbine several other teachers and myself were approached about being armed at our school during the day. Each of us had CCW permits, either military and /or security training. We met with the building principal, Asst. Superintendent and Superintendent.

The very first question we asked was "What about liability, and how will we be covered?"

Now keep this in mind: I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS IDEA, I JUST THINK SOME QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED FIRST.

1) Liability insurance: Will this be provided by the district, union (if there is one), employee?

2) Training: Who will provide it? Who will pay for it (See #1)? Who will be required to attend? What constitutes successful completion of training? How often will they be required to re certify and who will pay for the re certification (see#1)? What about the building official that just can't bear the idea of carrying a weapon, much less in school? Should that person be fired, demoted, replaced, transferred, lose their credentials?

3) Weapons: What will they carry? Who decides what they will carry? Will they carry concealed or open? Will the have the option of long arms? What capacity magazine? Who pays for the weapon and ammunition (see #1)? Where will the weapons be stored? How will they be stored? Who will have access to them?

These are jsut a few question right off the top of my head.

Remember: I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS IDEA, I JUST THINK SOME QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED FIRST.

Metmom you might want to put this on your ARTH ping list.

8 posted on 01/01/2013 5:12:47 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

Regarding insurance the issue of indemnification is just as important.

Insurance has limits, exclusions and all sorts of subrogation issues. Whose insurance is primary and will you have to sue your district to be defended by their carrier?

Stopping a killer is primary but governmental bodies don’t like to share their protections.


9 posted on 01/01/2013 5:22:50 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: GeronL

Don’t worry comrade. This is all for the best.

The kids need to learn to have the government enforced police presence in their lives watching over them, all for their own good, of course.

What better way to prepare minds to accept a police state than to start in schools with impressionable young minds and fearful parents.

It’s all for the children, you see........

In another generation, nobody will know what freedom is.


10 posted on 01/01/2013 6:12:47 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kaslin; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

11 posted on 01/01/2013 6:14:39 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: KC Burke
Thank you for clearing that up. I thought indemnification automatically came with liability insurance.
12 posted on 01/01/2013 6:37:17 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Kaslin

At first glance, the “COPS in Schools” doesn’t seem as if it is designed for armed security police as much as it is a community outreach program. “Police are human, too!!”

Yes, there would be police in and around the schools at times, but the seems to be acting more in a PR position rather than full-time ‘at the doors’ security personnel.

Let me know if I have this wrong.


13 posted on 01/01/2013 8:21:59 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: verga

I was only referring to the issue of guns.

Principals and teachers, etc, have the right to defend themselves and be armed. That is my only point.

The idea of putting POLICE there instead of allowing individuals their constitutional rights is the wrong message for those kids.

Overall, I’d like to abolish government schools, of course.


14 posted on 01/01/2013 1:14:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kaslin

Not a fan of the NRA nor of militarized government institutions.

The issue for me is mental health and treatment of persons with mental health problems. If it is not safe to allow them access to firearms then they also should not have access to knives or cars, and should be under confinement until that changes.

That being said, I have a lot of questions about what happened at Newtown. I saw a CNN clip the other day in which one of the “parents” was smiling and laughing until he approached the podium to make a statement, and then suddenly his demeanor changed to sorrow, sadness etc. It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Has anyone else seen this clip, and if so, what did you make of it?


15 posted on 01/01/2013 2:28:59 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: GeronL
Yeah you really didn't read my psot did you. Before we allow schools to have armed personnel there are a lot of questions that MUST be answered.

Your opionion is myopic, if you just think you can blithly say "Arm the Principals...."

16 posted on 01/01/2013 2:38:46 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

I am saying allow armed individuals who have the righ to be there to be armed, as per the second amendment before we decide to keep the indivuals disarmed and add cops.

If we fixed all the other crap first, I doubt we would even be having such a conversation


17 posted on 01/01/2013 2:44:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: verga

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads, even using my name, but, please, no contact.
Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


18 posted on 01/02/2013 4:01:45 PM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

What better way to prepare minds to accept a police state than to start in schools with impressionable young minds and fearful parents.
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The schools already resemble prisons both inside and out. And,...Indeed!....What better way to prepare the people for tyranny than to treat them as prisoners when they are children.


19 posted on 01/02/2013 4:37:58 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

One problem will be that once the schools are secure, the bad guys will go for softer targets. Why? because people are depraved and evil and want to kill and hurt.

I don’t know if anyone remembers it, but Pres Clinton wanted to put cops with guns in all the schools back in the early 90’s That might have been a pretty good idea. But no one liked it then.. Now we are all about it?

Yeah, we live in the moment here in the good ol’ USA


20 posted on 01/02/2013 6:14:42 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads, even using my name, but, please, no contact.
Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


21 posted on 01/02/2013 6:50:55 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
What better way to prepare minds to accept a police state than to start in schools with impressionable young minds and fearful parents.

?Your right it is much safer to just allow them to go to malls, churches, and movie theaters. there has never ever been any kind of mass shooting at any of those, NEVER, EVER!

22 posted on 01/02/2013 7:18:32 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads, even using my name, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


23 posted on 01/02/2013 8:10:11 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA; Gabz; shag377
Politely and respectfully,

This is neither polite nor respectful. it is rude. Polite and respectful would be to answer the question.

Now I politely and respectfully request that you address the matter.

Also note that you are not part of a ping list, but there are others that would like to see you actually address the matter.

24 posted on 01/03/2013 3:00:51 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: wintertime; verga; Gabz

If you do not wish to have a civilized conversation, you should not post on public forums.

Otherwise, YOU should be polite and respectful and answer questions posed to you in a civilized manner.

The other option is to simply ignore, rather than burn up band-width with a public refusal.


25 posted on 01/03/2013 3:59:19 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: verga

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads, even using my name, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


26 posted on 01/03/2013 5:03:55 AM PST by wintertime
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To: SoftballMominVA

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads. You have permission to use my name on any thread or post, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


27 posted on 01/03/2013 5:06:33 AM PST by wintertime
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To: SoftballMominVA; verga; shag377; Hope for the Republic

I suggest we do as she asks - in time she will be seen for what she is - an opinionated know-nothing.

Anyone who makes as outlandish statements as she does and then refuses to back them up doesn’t deserve anything but the same contempt we heap upon liberals who make outlandish statements and then seek to change the subject when confronted.


28 posted on 01/03/2013 5:42:21 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA; verga; wintertime; Hope for the Republic; metmom

Firstly, responding to the thread:

1. I see armed police in private establishments all the time, such as the grocery store I once worked in and at the movie theaters;

2. I have seen armed police at public establishments, such as churches when they needed help with funerals, weddings, etc.

3. We, my school, have TWO fully licensed, sworn and trained deputy sheriffs with full arrest powers on campus, at all sporting events and activities.

These men are there to provide necessary protection to the student body and the school. It does not bother me in the least.

Additionally, I have a CCW, am fully armed and working on becoming an excellent shot with a rifle. If I can hit a playing card at 300 meters, I am good.:)

I do not and will not carry at school because of the liability and the fact too many students are involved. This does not mean I am opposed to teachers carrying, but I will not at school or a school function.

There - that part of this is settled.

The second part - dealing with the ravenous homeschool crowd (and I use the term crowd to mean a collective, not an individual entity) I feel the same way about homeschooling as I always have: if it is what is best for you and your family, I am for it. I have, to boot, several pieces of hard evidence to support its effectiveness based on state mandated testing, not anecdotal commentary.

My child’s physician is homeschooling their oldest child and I am in the process of helping them with her. She has a severe reading disability and needs help beyond the scope of our rural county (This, as an aside, is the same physician who referred my son to Atlanta and Egleston Children’s Hospital for myocarditis. He was/is wise enough to realize when he is out-gunned.) so I am trying to help them as much as possible.

I have personally offered my services to the homeschool community in my area as a language teacher, Latin, for their cohort. No answer yet, but I continue to offer.

So, where am I going with all of this? I refer back to my digression about my child and physician.

My child’s personal pediatrician admitted to my wife that Jake’s, my son, condition was *well* outside of the scope of his skill. Had he not referred us, the outcome was very, very dire - no, Jake would have been dead.

A medical professional admitted, honestly and forthright, that he could not answer a question. He did not equivocate, egress or ignore but instead handed us into the hands of someone who could help.

That said, this is directed to Dr. Wintertime.

Dr. Wintertime, you have, elsethread and on more than one occasion, commented on how professional teachers would not and do not need to avoid hard and serious questions with students. I fully agree. You are right; I do not avoid the hard questions. If I do not know, I am fast to admit it to my children at school and home. There is no run or ask to be ignored.

However, as a medical professional, would you ignore a patient who is seeking your medical expertise and experience? Would you politely and respectfully ask them to leave your presence and not bother you further?

Is it fair to ask difficult and hard to answer questions of teachers but not to do the same of medical professionals?

And as you consider/do not consider my answer, I leave you with this: I guarantee, and will provide empirical evidence, not anecdotal evidence, that the history of the medical profession is considerably more tainted with negativity and damage than the same of public education. However, this is not the topic nor the thread to discuss.

I await your response, keenly.

To Dr. Wintertime and the rest: Happy New Year.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 7:01:56 AM PST by shag377 (Don't get mad at me when I play your game by your rules, and I win.)
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To: shag377

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads. You have permission to use my name on any thread or post, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


30 posted on 01/04/2013 1:57:49 PM PST by wintertime
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To: shag377; wintertime
You are 100% correct Shag - and I for one am relieved that your doctor admitted to being in over her head and sent you on to those that could and did save your son's life.

As far as cops in schools, I'm not a fan at all. But then I'm not a fan of having a crazy person blast their way in with the intent to kill children.

In addition, I am even LESS of a fan of the current plan in our school system wherein teachers (including myself) will be stationed at the entrance to check ID's and to alert the office in case of trouble. I WILL NOT be standing such a post. In the event of trouble I am the last person anyone wants there. The early warning system will be me, dead on the floor. Not to mention, in the event I let someone in who did great harm, how would I live with that? I couldn't. Manning a security post is not what I'm trained for in any sense of the word. Will not do it.

As far as the rest of your post... somewhat surprised that Dr. Wintertime would refuse to answer a well-written, well-reasoned post. One that was polite, kind, and supportive.

This type of closed-mindedness is not typically seen among the intellectual elite, but rather those with lower intellectual abilities. As in, I cannot respond to you, therefore I will simply put my fingers in my ears and turn away from the discussion.

I, for one, have EXTREME doubt as to her claims of her previous profession. I DO NOT believe that she is or ever was a member of the medical profession beyond that of a basic tech. Her words, arguments, and even basic syntax, grammar, and spelling have never supported this claim.

I have pinged her in this post for the simple reason that it is protocol. I understand I will get the ‘cut and paste do-not-post-to-me-notice” and I accept that as the price of common courtesy. My level of courtesy is not reflective or determined by another, but by what I know to be right. It is not necessary to ping that to me, but of course, you may as I have no control over your actions.

In short, people who post on public forums should be open to discussion, or they should not post.

The next ‘cut and paste’ statement will most likely be brought to you by “Dr.” Wintertime

Enjoy

31 posted on 01/04/2013 3:55:02 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads. You have permission to use my name on any thread or post, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


32 posted on 01/04/2013 4:07:28 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Got it...like the time you asked the moderator to tell me to NOT private message you, then you continued to private message me.

Just like that


33 posted on 01/04/2013 5:04:07 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads. You have permission to use my name on any thread or post, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


34 posted on 01/04/2013 5:21:37 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA; Gabz; verga

Dr. Wintertime:

I will, following this post, certainly acquiesce to your request. It is reasonable and without a doubt fair. I am a gentleman, fancy myself a scholar (at least Florida State felt me worthy enough to award me a Masters degree in Latin) so it is only right to show deference to one that is my senior in age and education.

Henceforth I will:

* Not respond to vitriol and condemnation of the career I feel faith has led me to;
* Overlook previous threads of complaints to administration over inabilities to responds to posts/threads;
* Stand idly by and watch for anecdotal evidence that furthers absolutely no discussion;
* Bear witness to an obvious double standard of postings;
* Hear how I am destined to rot for my decisions to send my children to public schools and work in the same;
* Am Godless and ignoring the words of Christ (which is funny, because I do preach the Gospel on occasion)
* Read posts that seek to hear their own echos
* Be accused of Alinsky-like tactics;
* Called, indirectly, a Marxist and Useful Idiot;
* Ignore obvious cognitive dissonance;
* Be accused of a complete lack of professionalism, while watching the same unfold before me;
* Read how everything is wrong with public education but take no steps to resolve them;
* Try to see how a thing that lacks a soul can be evil;
* Accept anecdotal evidence as empirical;
* See there is but one way to properly educate all children, regardless of any extraneous factors;
* Watch those who are challenged in a fair exchange run and flee
* Realize that all bullies get what is coming to them in the end - especially when they are called out for who they are;
* Learn that good ideas do win, because people are not stupid;
* And lastly,

Read my tagline.


35 posted on 01/04/2013 5:59:55 PM PST by shag377 (Don't get mad at me when I play your game by your rules, and I win.)
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To: shag377

I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like on my posts or threads. You have permission to use my name on any thread or post, but, please, no contact.

Politely and respectfully,

wintertime


36 posted on 01/04/2013 7:41:13 PM PST by wintertime
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To: shag377

You’re good!!!!


37 posted on 01/05/2013 8:46:50 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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