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Slideshow: Virgin Birth Not So Miraculous in Animal Kingdom
ScienceNOW ^ | 27 December 2012 | Carrie Arnold

Posted on 01/01/2013 11:38:20 AM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 01/01/2013 11:38:27 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Anything at all to diminish Christianity.


2 posted on 01/01/2013 11:43:45 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: neverdem

The author. confuses virgin birth with virgin conception. In a virgin birth, everything remains intact even after delivery.


3 posted on 01/01/2013 11:48:49 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: driftdiver

There are several other major religions into the virgin birth situation.


4 posted on 01/01/2013 11:58:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

The faux science of satan... wipe their dust from your feet when these demons appear.

LLS


5 posted on 01/01/2013 12:05:18 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: neverdem

Well then... there you have it... Virgin birth is possible..

Not only possible but practical in some situations..
Who knew that after all these years it was scientifically provable..


6 posted on 01/01/2013 12:06:18 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: driftdiver

Been that way since Marx and Engels. They jumped on Darwin to try to kill God. If evolution exists, God can’t. Or so I’m told by the libs at work.


7 posted on 01/01/2013 12:07:35 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: neverdem

Interesting....but it, in NO way, diminishes the FANTASTIC LOVE of the MIRACLE that the Virgin birth is for the world of humans, all created by a God Who loved us enough to make it all happen.


8 posted on 01/01/2013 12:08:09 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: neverdem

What is truly miraculous is a parthenogenic male.


9 posted on 01/01/2013 12:09:32 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: neverdem

Show me one instance of parthenogenesis producing a male offspring.


10 posted on 01/01/2013 12:14:35 PM PST by null and void (The internet never forgets, or forgives.)
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To: neverdem

Interesting article, but I think 90% of such research and writing is simply political ground-laying by homosexual activists:

They want no future legal impediments to human cloning by lesbian “married couples” (sic).


11 posted on 01/01/2013 12:14:52 PM PST by gaijin
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To: driftdiver; neverdem; muawiyah; Dr. Sivana
Althout the author used the comparison with Blessed Mary and her Divine Child as an eye-catching lede, it's more foolish than disparaging.

First of all, genetic parthenogenesis in certain marine invertebrates, worms, fleas, etc. produces a genetic replica of the parent (same genome, always female, similar to a clone) and does not apply to the Lord Jesus, a male born from a virginal mother.

Second of all, sexually-reproduced offspring (from a sperm and an ovum) could be fairly commonplace among a certain subset of lesbians who reproduce by vendor-insemination, and who do so without any sexual contact with a man. I suppose if such a deviant female then gave birth via C-section, she could still be, physically speaking, an intact virgin, pre-partum, in partu, and post-pastum -- an OB/GYN oddity, but no miracle here.

The splendid thing about Mary is that she conceived through the Holy Spirit, and her holy offspring is the Son of God.

Of course many pre-Christian religions had accunts of virgin births, as well as accounts of a dying god who visited the Underworld and arose on the third day (or maybe at the Spring Equinox). The longing for these realities can be observed in many myths, because they are (albeit in garbled and fragmentary form) longings of the human heart since the dawn of human existence.

It is never fulfilled in a fully transcendant and complete way, except in the "Joy of Man's Desiring," Our Lord Jesus Christ, the son of Man, son of Adam, son of Abraham, son of David, son of Mary the Virgin--- Son of God.

12 posted on 01/01/2013 12:23:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the Lord require of you but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: hosepipe

Everyone knew, actually. “Parthenogenesis” is a commonly known word. Even more obviously, asexual creatures reproduce on their own. Even elementary school children know about them. This is just one of those stupid, misleading headlines some smart aleck concocted to get attention. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Virgin Mary.

By the way, how come they never turn it back on scientists instead of trying to embarrass Christians. It’d take me about five seconds to come up with an alternative headline. “Whoa, There, Biologists! Move Over, Dolly the Sheep. Think Cloning Is So Special? Well, the New Mexico Whiptail Got There First”


13 posted on 01/01/2013 12:31:25 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: muawiyah

Sure, there’s Buddha and the magic elephant who impregnated his mother.

However in the US when you mention “virgin birth” everyone assumes you mean the mother of Jesus. Especially when it is done at Christmas time.


14 posted on 01/01/2013 12:34:30 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: neverdem

God made all things as he wanted. The virgin birth has nothing to do with animals he created at the beginning of this world. Just his creation tell us of his love.


15 posted on 01/01/2013 12:38:13 PM PST by Ramonne
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To: null and void; reg45; Mrs. Don-o
"The onset of winter, drought, or other environmental stress will trigger some of D. magna's developing parthenogenetic offspring to become males, who then mate with the parthenogenetic females."

From the article.

16 posted on 01/01/2013 12:39:53 PM PST by MetaThought
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To: MetaThought

I remembered that aphids do it too as soon as I mashed post. (although I’m not sure late season aphid males are born male, or whether, like some fishes, they flip later)


17 posted on 01/01/2013 12:53:35 PM PST by null and void (The internet never forgets, or forgives.)
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To: neverdem

Jesus was born a man who walked the earth as a man.

If you want to argue about Virgin birth do not show me pictures of snakes, fish or lizards. Show me another man born of a virgin, a man who performed miracles and arose on the third day after his Cruxifiction , and ascended into Heaven, to take a seat next to His Father


18 posted on 01/01/2013 1:23:46 PM PST by Venturer
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To: neverdem
The main thing I see in this thread is a recurrent theme.
A false dichotomy. Either ‘this’ OR ‘that’.
For the anti-God types: There is far that we don't even have the ability to conceive of on the frontier of science than we know now. So how about using the good old fashioned monosyllabic word ‘God’ for some of those. (and if you have any doubts about how much we know, ask any quantum physicist about conditions RIGHT BEFORE the Big Bang)

And for the devout Bible-Thumpers out there: Have you actually ever READ the Bible? What version? Did you bother to learn another historic language to gain perspective? Do you know the histories of the people who rewrote it under a Roman ‘Imperator’? Do you know WHY Constantine had it rewritten?
I am not a scholar of any sort, Biblical or otherwise. But I try to pay attention.
Correct Perception is a term you all should look into.
The concept that there are a number of levels of truth, each as accurate as the previous or next, but each in alignment with how you are able to ask the question.

Darwin had a working hypothesis. A hypothesis is useful as long as it is ‘useful’. It is not meant as a final answer. Even something as simple as ‘water is wet’ is not universally accurate all the time. At what temperature? At what atmospheric pressure? At what scale (size wise)?

From those with a theological bent, you are confounded by your own doctrines; Why couldn't there be evolution? ALL things are within God's purview.

For those who think a belief in something greater is evidence of mental retardation, perhaps you should look in the mirror. Your arrogance and hubris borders on self-destructive. Is it indicative of a pathological fear, of the unknown, of the dark, of something?

19 posted on 01/01/2013 1:32:10 PM PST by jim999
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To: MetaThought

OK...trannies there too, I guess ;o)


20 posted on 01/01/2013 1:38:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("He Whom the whole world cannot contain, was enclosed within thy womb, O Virgin, and became Man.")
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