Posted on 01/03/2013 2:14:50 PM PST by Lmo56
If it does, then ANYONE using the autopen [even without permission] could make up their own directives, EO's, etc.
let`s be positive !! the autopen was made in America, the Pres..........not so much
“Stroke of the autopen, law of the land, kinda cool...” (With not apologies to Paul Begala)
Make no mistake, this was on purpose. Just as 0’s first (private) inauguration was done absent a bible, this is a message. When 0 was photographed holding his copy of A Post American World, it was a message. The fetters are off, they’re emboldened. They NEVER cared about what is constitutional and we’re going to start hearing them say it.
It probably passes Constitutional muster when used with permission. The issue is permission. Not the pen.
SnakeDoc
I understand. A photo op signing of a tax increase with palm trees and beach in the background might not be too well received.
Not so sure about that.
In Clinton v. City of New York [dis-allowing line item veto], Justice Stevens [writing for the majority] was very speific about the process by which a bill becomes law.
And he stated, very clearly, that the President must sign the bill [as written, with no changes] in order for it to become law.
I assume the message is that Obama is no threat to even the weakest, least self-sufficient woman voter who wants birth control from the government but nothing directly from a man in her life (at least not a man whose full name she knows), no threat in any physical manner to any enemy of America, and exactly the opposite of manly and capable in all respects. If so, that message is coming through loud and clear.
Yes. And he did. With an autopen.
I doubt the President’s use of technology to sign bills while out-of-pocket renders the signature ineffective.
SnakeDoc
HE did NOT sign it - a machine did ...
That is the crux of the issue ...
AND, he DID NOT have to leave town before signing - he coulda put the paper up to the door of Marine One and signed there just before leaving ...
Might as well get some rubber stamps made and keep them on every desk in the white hut. After all, you wouldn’t want ears to miss a golf game.
Exactly. I can't see any effective difference between an auto-pen and a rubber stamp.
Yes, a machine is not the President. He didn’t sign it, so it’s not law, as far as I’m concerned.
-PJ
Here's the difference.
Autopen = Executive branch.
Rubber Stamp = Legislative and Judicial branches.
Does that help?
-PJ
Here is what Stevens wrote invalidating the Line Item Veto Act in Clinton v. City of New York:
2. The Act’s cancellation procedures violate the Presentment Clause. Pp. 17-31.
(a) The Act empowers the President to cancel an “item of new direct spending” such as §4722(c) of the Balanced Budget Act and a “limited tax benefit” such as §698 of the Taxpayer Relief Act, §691(a), specifying that such cancellation prevents a provision “from having legal force or effect,” §§691e(4)(B)-(C). Thus, in both legal and practical effect, the presidential actions at issue have amended two Acts of Congress by repealing a portion of each. Statutory repeals must conform with Art. I, INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 954, but there is no constitutional authorization for the President to amend or repeal. Under the Presentment Clause, after a bill has passed both Houses, but “before it become[s] a Law,” it must be presented to the President, who “shall sign it” if he approves it, but “return it,” i.e., “veto” it, if he does not. There are important differences between such a “return” and cancellation under the Act: The constitutional return is of the entire bill and takes place before it becomes law, whereas the statutory cancellation occurs after the bill becomes law and affects it only in part. There are powerful reasons for construing the constitutional silence on the profoundly important subject of presidential repeals as equivalent to an express prohibition. The Article I procedures governing statutory enactment were the product of the great debates and compromises that produced the Constitution itself. Familiar historical materials provide abundant support for the conclusion that the power to enact statutes may only “be exercised in accord with a single, finely wrought and exhaustively considered, procedure.” Chadha, 462 U.S., at 951. What has emerged in the present cases, however, are not the product of the “finely wrought” procedure that the Framers designed, but truncated versions of two bills that passed both Houses. Pp. 17-24.
(b) The Court rejects two related Government arguments. First, the contention that the cancellations were merely exercises of the President’s discretionary authority under the Balanced Budget Act and the Taxpayer Relief Act, read in light of the previously enacted Line Item Veto Act, is unpersuasive. Field v. Clark, 143 U.S. 649, 693, on which the Government relies, suggests critical differences between this cancellation power and the President’s statutory power to suspend import duty exemptions that was there upheld: such suspension was contingent on a condition that did not predate its statute, the duty to suspend was absolute once the President determined the contingency had arisen, and the suspension executed congressional policy. In contrast, the Act at issue authorizes the President himself to effect the repeal of laws, for his own policy reasons, without observing Article I, §7, procedures. Second, the contention that the cancellation authority is no greater than the President’s traditional statutory authority to decline to spend appropriated funds or to implement specified tax measures fails because this Act, unlike the earlier laws, gives the President the unilateral power to change the text of duly enacted statutes. Pp. 23-29.
(c) The profound importance of these cases makes it appropriate to emphasize three points. First, the Court expresses no opinion about the wisdom of the Act’s procedures and does not lightly conclude that the actions of the Congress that passed it, and the President who signed it into law, were unconstitutional. The Court has, however, twice had full argument and briefing on the question and has concluded that its duty is clear. Second, having concluded that the Act’s cancellation provisions violate Article I, §7, the Court finds it unnecessary to consider the District Court’s alternative holding that the Act impermissibly disrupts the balance of powers among the three branches of Government. Third, this decision rests on the narrow ground that the Act’s procedures are not authorized by the Constitution. If this Act were valid, it would authorize the President to create a law whose text was not voted on by either House or presented to the President for signature. That may or may not be desirable, but it is surely not a document that may “become a law” pursuant to Article I, §7. If there is to be a new procedure in which the President will play a different role, such change must come through the Article V amendment procedures. Pp. 29-31.
Stevens is CLEAR - the President MUST sign a bill before it becomes law. If they want to change it - it MUST go through the Article V process [amendment] ...
Here is what Stevens wrote invalidating the Line Item Veto Act in Clinton v. City of New York:
2. The Act’s cancellation procedures violate the Presentment Clause. Pp. 17-31.
(a) The Act empowers the President to cancel an “item of new direct spending” such as §4722(c) of the Balanced Budget Act and a “limited tax benefit” such as §698 of the Taxpayer Relief Act, §691(a), specifying that such cancellation prevents a provision “from having legal force or effect,” §§691e(4)(B)-(C). Thus, in both legal and practical effect, the presidential actions at issue have amended two Acts of Congress by repealing a portion of each. Statutory repeals must conform with Art. I, INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 954, but there is no constitutional authorization for the President to amend or repeal. Under the Presentment Clause, after a bill has passed both Houses, but “before it become[s] a Law,” it must be presented to the President, who “shall sign it” if he approves it, but “return it,” i.e., “veto” it, if he does not. There are important differences between such a “return” and cancellation under the Act: The constitutional return is of the entire bill and takes place before it becomes law, whereas the statutory cancellation occurs after the bill becomes law and affects it only in part. There are powerful reasons for construing the constitutional silence on the profoundly important subject of presidential repeals as equivalent to an express prohibition. The Article I procedures governing statutory enactment were the product of the great debates and compromises that produced the Constitution itself. Familiar historical materials provide abundant support for the conclusion that the power to enact statutes may only “be exercised in accord with a single, finely wrought and exhaustively considered, procedure.” Chadha, 462 U.S., at 951. What has emerged in the present cases, however, are not the product of the “finely wrought” procedure that the Framers designed, but truncated versions of two bills that passed both Houses. Pp. 17-24.
(b) The Court rejects two related Government arguments. First, the contention that the cancellations were merely exercises of the President’s discretionary authority under the Balanced Budget Act and the Taxpayer Relief Act, read in light of the previously enacted Line Item Veto Act, is unpersuasive. Field v. Clark, 143 U.S. 649, 693, on which the Government relies, suggests critical differences between this cancellation power and the President’s statutory power to suspend import duty exemptions that was there upheld: such suspension was contingent on a condition that did not predate its statute, the duty to suspend was absolute once the President determined the contingency had arisen, and the suspension executed congressional policy. In contrast, the Act at issue authorizes the President himself to effect the repeal of laws, for his own policy reasons, without observing Article I, §7, procedures. Second, the contention that the cancellation authority is no greater than the President’s traditional statutory authority to decline to spend appropriated funds or to implement specified tax measures fails because this Act, unlike the earlier laws, gives the President the unilateral power to change the text of duly enacted statutes. Pp. 23-29.
(c) The profound importance of these cases makes it appropriate to emphasize three points. First, the Court expresses no opinion about the wisdom of the Act’s procedures and does not lightly conclude that the actions of the Congress that passed it, and the President who signed it into law, were unconstitutional. The Court has, however, twice had full argument and briefing on the question and has concluded that its duty is clear. Second, having concluded that the Act’s cancellation provisions violate Article I, §7, the Court finds it unnecessary to consider the District Court’s alternative holding that the Act impermissibly disrupts the balance of powers among the three branches of Government. Third, this decision rests on the narrow ground that the Act’s procedures are not authorized by the Constitution. If this Act were valid, it would authorize the President to create a law whose text was not voted on by either House or presented to the President for signature. That may or may not be desirable, but it is surely not a document that may “become a law” pursuant to Article I, §7. If there is to be a new procedure in which the President will play a different role, such change must come through the Article V amendment procedures. Pp. 29-31.
Stevens is CLEAR - the President MUST sign a bill before it becomes law. If they want to change it - it MUST go through the Article V process [amendment] ...
This just isn't unconstitutional. The Constititution says he has to sign the bill. It doesn't say how he has to sign it, or what implements he can or can't use. It just says he has to sign it. His signature is affixed. By his autopen. With his permission and intent. He signed the bill.
There isn't a Court in this country that is going to rule that a bill is unconstitutional because the President used a automated pen to sign a bill rather than a ball-point pen. It is a petty technicality at best. If a staffer forged his signature, with an autopen or a regular pen ... then you have an unconstitutional bill.
Does it matter whether he had to leave town? That's certainly not anywhere in the Constitution.
SnakeDoc
Sorry - fat fingered the post ...
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