The birth certificate in question, as presented by the White House to a fawining media and a stupid public, does not match the materials obtained by Team Obama's lawyers from the authorities in Hawaii. Note that these authorities there have told us only, "...that the data matches data on file in the HIDOH."
What I've seen does not match this claim.
In 2008, when the issue first came up, Obama released his COLB. This sole purpose of a COLB is to legally prove where and when you were born. This document was immediately attacked by the font people and all that. It was a flat scan, and "image experts" assured everybody that the original didn't have the required raised seal. Then a fact-checking web site published photos of the document where you could clearly see the raised seal. That did it for me. I was done with this in 2008.
Then, after 4 years of hectoring, Obama released a photocopy of his long-form birth certificate. The claims that this document was fake are so convoluted that I haven't bothered to chase them all down. I don't know what you're talking about when you say that the materials don't match because I've never seen anyone on the pro-Obama side claim that the second document was an "abstract." Maybe I missed something, but the discussion around this usually involves some monumental word-twisting. One guy (I think in this discussion) claimed that because the HIDOH didn't verify that Honolulu is on Oahu, the whole verification was discounted. That's silly. If might be less silly if there were another Honolulu in Hawaii.
reviewing Donofrio's masterful amicus curiae brief to the courts in Georgia.
I only know of one Georgia case and these "masterful" arguments were thrown out.
Whatever one's "feelings" on this matter of paternity, it will require a specific SCOTUS ruling and intrerpretation of the Constitution to truly resolve the issue of "Natural Born Citizenship".
I agree that a SCOTUS ruling would be helpful, but let's be honest: it's not going to stop the birthers. They will find some reason why the SCOUTS ruling doesn't apply. It will either be some badly-supported claim that BHO was born in Upper Mongolia or something about how he was holding Roberts' children hostage.
Even as Chester Arthur has been found to have committed fraud in his election and was not a qualified candidate, so IMNSVHO will be found one Barack Hussein Obama.
There is some question as to whether Chester A. Arthur was born 15 miles inside of Canada, but there are no conclusive records. Floods, fire and other ravages of time destroy records, and I'm sure that if we went through all 44 presidents, we could find a few whose birth records cannot be located. BHO isn't one of them, however, so I wouldn't hold your breath about being vindicated by future historians.
in re the BCWhat I've seen does not match this claim....Then, after 4 years of hectoring, Obama released a photocopy of his long-form birth certificate. The claims that this document was fake are so convoluted that I haven't bothered to chase them all down. I don't know what you're talking about when you say that the materials don't match because I've never seen anyone on the pro-Obama side claim that the second document was an "abstract."
Why would they? What they did was take various data on file in Hawaii and use it to create what they adamantly claim is a genuine, even if not certified to be so, copy of a BC. Does it never occur to you that all that was needed here was for the authorities in Hawaii to go into their files and photocopy a BC, stamp it a "Certified Copy of a Document on File," and fax it over to DC?
The BC and the faux ID documents aside, does it not also occur to you that the SCOTUS owes the citizenry a clear Obama-specific explanation of what the hell a "Natural Born Citizen," is? They have been properly asked, you know. Furthermore, various of the black-robed bastards have told us that they are avoiding the issue. Why?
Since Obama IS the de facto POTUS, you are taking that lugubrious fact as an excuse for sweeping my legitimate questions under the rug. BTW, this is no longer "about Obama." Does this "place of birth" reasoning mean that the offspring of two alien residents ... legal or illegal ... can also run for President?
Do you claim that "Native" = "Natural?" Of course, you may be ...gasp... correct. However, since you are not cashing SCOTUS paychecks, there is no reason for me or any other citizen to accept your ruling. IMO, you and your like-minded compatriots accept Obama as the de facto President ... because he is. He spends our money on vacation and we pay for his rides in AF1 and his all-important ESPN subscription. What you have not accepted is that the questions of his legitimacy are entirely appropriate. Me? I claim that until the issues are settled in corcordance with the Constitution... by constitutionally authorized procedures ... the country can go nowhere.