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To: SueRae

We live in a center-left country now. Obama was completely sincere during the election and Americans wanted more government, more benefits and look to the state to take care of them from the cradle to grave.

Obama is as transformative and consequential a President as Ronald Reagan. The political coalition he created will last a generation.

In the face of this political climate, conservatives are fighting a losing battle.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 3:29:06 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Well said, sadly.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 3:40:44 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: goldstategop

There is no way this ‘coalition’ will last a day with the money nearly gone and without Obama as leader.


10 posted on 01/04/2013 3:48:56 AM PST by erlayman
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To: goldstategop

Maybe, maybe not. The country polls completely different on issues than they voted in 2012. The only real issue that polled well for Obama was to raise taxes on the rich and not the rest. This is human nature, and no one made an effective counter argument.

Your conclusion can be countered with the successful election of conservative governors in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, New Jersey, and Michigan (more moderate republicans in the later two). These governors all won on decidedly conservative platforms just two years ago in the very states that went for Obama and dem senators just two years later. 2012 was a surprising outcome because it bucked every public trend of the previous three years. I am not convinced it was not the anomaly. The democrats simply ran a massively better campaign.


16 posted on 01/04/2013 4:35:08 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: goldstategop
We live in a center-left country now.

I think that if you went issue by issue asking people to choose whether they agreed with the conservative stance or the liberal one, a majority would favor conservative stances.

But the one issue that trumps them all is the addiction to entitlements. People will not give up the government cheese even if it means that future generations will be enslaved to big gov. That cheese is a powerful opiate.

There's a huge psychological disconnect between what people say they want collectively and what they vote on personally.

If conservatives can find a way to bridge the disconnect and convincingly show that undermining the collective undermines the personal, they can be winners.

30 posted on 01/04/2013 5:50:38 AM PST by randita
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To: goldstategop
We live in a center-left country now.

Yep. Under the best conditions the trend may start to reverse in a decade or two, but only if Conservatives bolt the GOP once and for all and start about building a REAL opposition party.

My gut says that we will be living in a center-left Social Democracy for the rest of my lifetime. Obama will dangle a bunch of new Social Benefit Goodies before the electorate in 2014, and will likely rout the GOP.

Spend some energy preparing your life to function within this paradigm.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 7:14:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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