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To: Servant of the Cross
I'm not particularly a Mitt fan, I'm not here to defend him, but below is why all of our conservatives would have been beat like drums.

My problem since the election is discovering we have this huge conundrum now: Our country has passed a line where the majority could be convinced by Reagan himself that the values we once stood for are important enough to return to.

1. The media is too powerful, and has NOT been neutralized and until we figure out how to beat them, we're screwed. They have learned how to take out the likes of Reagan, they have it down.
2. The American culture has crossed a line where free stuff is welcomed and embraced long term, success and the work ethic is vilified.
3. Conservatives (of all stripes) have become a circular firing squad, vilifying other potential candidates, and taking their ball home when their chosen candidate loses.
4. The Academic/Hollywood/media complex has stolen the hearts and minds of the next generation(s), and unlike in the past people aren't waking up and changing back as they see the false paradigm.

Yoiks, I'm even depressing myself....need to stop.....:-)

24 posted on 01/05/2013 8:53:51 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
I get all of your points. And we may have crossed the tipping point.

However, I think the reality of $1 trillion unsustainable deficits and unashamed Lefties insanely wanting to just spend more, that obviously doesn't work and won't ever work, is known by at least 50%+1, who will go out to vote in November, 2014 and give the House and Senate back to the opposition party, assuming we have leaders that can articulate a coherent and passionate case.

We have been successful on a targeted state and local level, which could be replicated nationally.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 9:06:43 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Lakeshark
Lakeshark, that is a great post and everything you say is accurate. We thought the new media would provide more balance, instead it made the dinosaur media move even further left. The network news and urban papers have lost audience, but they still dominate and have mostly just stopped pretending to be balanced. The culture is mostly a lost cause now - largely because we didn't contest the left in academia and the entertainment industry. Far too many conservatives have a "take my ball and go home" attitude when they don't get their candidate of choice. You see this here constantly with endless tantrums every time a vote doesn't come down the way people want. And finally, the poison that is socialism has infected the majority of Americans - as we see in Europe, it is nearly impossible to reverse this until there is no more money left to redistribute.

My problem since the election is discovering we have this huge conundrum now: Our country has passed a line where the majority could be convinced by Reagan himself that the values we once stood for are important enough to return to.

If Reagan could even win today, it would probably be by a whisper - and he'd be savaged by our own side for not being conservative enough. Conservatives always believed there was a silent majority of decent, traditional people that would step up and vote the right way when the chips are down - that silent majority probably no longer exists. Worse, the masses that don't turn out, pollsters call them "adults", are probably even MORE supportive of populist left policies that Obama pushes than the actual population that voted. You can see this in any poll these days. "Adults" are far more supportive of Obama than "Likely Voters".

Things look pretty bleak for America right now. The future seems to be with Asia while the West declines. Asia is largely throwing off the shackles of socialism and is growing rapidly. A massive middle class is rising in India, China, etc. It won't be long till the productive people in the US and Europe start fleeing to the better business environments in Asia.

36 posted on 01/05/2013 9:28:09 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Lakeshark

I wish I could stand up and say, “You’re wrong!”

But, alas........


38 posted on 01/05/2013 9:32:02 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: Lakeshark

You make some good points, but I do not agree with your conclusion. Like SOTC, I think your points actually speak to why we MUST have a bold articulate and fearless conservative message - to cut through all of the problems you mentioned.

I will send you a copy of my soon to be released book that addresses all of this. I am putting finishing touches on it this weekend. You can view some info on it at a temporary url www.gone2012book.com

The real URL is not launched yet.


55 posted on 01/05/2013 2:04:04 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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