Posted on 01/07/2013 11:16:24 AM PST by Kaslin
Reagan was special. Gingrich at least has a fire lit under him most of the time, though he’s just ae liable to blow himsepf up. That election was decided, I think, by the Clintons’ obvious overreaching. Onama overreached similarly, and the people voted to slap down Obamacare, but somehoe it passed anyway. I barely remember how, and history won’t even bother.
So it’s not impossible to overcome the MSM, but it is for a Boner.
None of the democrats want vigorous growth? I understand we all tend to hyperbolize but that seems a rather silly statement.
It is NOT that we disagree with how to get there, there is fundamental disagreement about the GOAL of vigorous growth.
This may be true. What do you think the goal of vigorous growth should be?
Newt’s “Contract with America” was genius because it clearly framed the issues and forced the Dems to declare themselves against issues that most Americans wanted. Today there is no clarity on GOP positions.
No. I stand by it. Find me a democrat willing to support any even non-controversial measures to encourage growth?
Which I define as 6% or higher GDP growth.
What measures do you consider non-controversial?
Why don’t you share with us why you are afraid of growth?
FDR - ginormous gov’t proponent
HST (D) - big gov’t proponent
DDE (R) - moderate gov’t proponent, created Health, Education, and Welfare Dept
JFK (D) - moderate gov’t proponent
LBJ (D) - enormous gov’t proponent, created Housing & Urban Development and Transportation Dept
RMN (R) - big gov’t proponent
GRF (R) - big gov’t proponent
JEC (D) - enormouse gov’t proponent, created Energy Dept and Education Dept
RWR (R) - small gov’t proponent
GHB (R) - big gov’t proponent, created Veterans Affairs Dept
WJC (D) - big gov’t proponent
GWB (R) - tolerant big gov’t proponent, created Homeland Security Dept
BHO (D) - ginormous gov’t proponent
80 years of history with successive increases in the debt limit by BOTH parties
Other than a bump in the road with Reagan, pretty much a hard tack left.
1929 is going to look like a picnic after this disaster
The ‘Rat party is a RICO entity and the GOP are unindicted co-conspirators
I never said I was afraid of growth. Economic growth is great. However economic growth that leaves the bottom 90% worse off than they were before, as we've experienced over the past 30 years or so especially since around 2000, isn't so hot.
Why are you afraid to give some examples of non-controversial growth promoting policies?
Here's a growth producing policy most Leftists would support: spending on providing better educational opportunities to those that can't otherwise afford it. The only hitch with that one though is that I'm pretty sure you wouldn't consider it non-controversial.
The empirical data shows that countries with more equitable, and please note I said more equitable and not completely equitable, distribution of income and opportunity grow faster than those that don't. And right now we are below countries like Turkey when it comes to economic equality.
Reagan had a clear message, and a sure identity, he offered the people a clear difference, it was almost scary, but it was bold, and a new path, and the people took it.
Gingrich did much the same in 1994, and he nationalized the election, it was a Reagan style for the legislative branch.
The media couldn’t overcome either of those revolutions, in fact, Reagan and Gingrich showed how to break through the media.
Today the media is much more diverse than that distant era, and yet the GOP is back to it’s normal incoherence and uninspiring blandness that makes them so unappealing to the public, and so easy for the left to characterize, since the GOP doesn’t have any personality, or vision, or coherent arguments.
There is no controversy among economists that real economic growth is achieved by low tax rates, minimal regulations, and policies that do not attempt to distort the economy for policiy goals other than growth.
Obviously this is controversial amongst folk who do not want growth (which includes all democrats and many republicans).
Real economic growth leaves EVERY on better off.
This is ridiculous. More analysis???? How about a Republican leader who can chew gum and walk at the same time?
An energy and agricultural economy without a large manufacturing base eventually settles into being a third-world economy in a third rate country. Without ridding our nation of anti-family, anti-production progressivism/romanticism and evil “males” at work in manufacturing, the contemporary political regulator class will lose. Can’t all sit and decay in offices. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.
To clarify, we need to abolish regulations that prevent small manufacturing shops from starting and abolish laws that discourage traditional family structure.
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Vigorous growth, expansion of individual financial well being, accumulation of real personal property.....all of these things are a threat to socialist democratic power.
It is why Democrats seek to take away those things from people that already enjoy them and disperse them meaninglessly amongst the dumb masses with little effect.
Their goal is dependency through entitlement of government support which requires their continuing votes.
“..The debate first has to be decided - do we want economic growth. I think Americans overwhelingly think yes.”
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I do not think so. The results of the last election show that selfish economic concerns are far more important than the fiscal health of the economy. I would venture to say that most Americans do not even understand the basics of our economy or even care...as long as they have their TV screen and six-pack at night. They were easily BOUGHT in this election.
The Congress is a disgrace on both sides.
I think you are 100% correct.
And the portion of Republicans who want vigorous growth, but NOT IN AMERICA is also very high.
There is a huge portion of America who are simply not represented by anyone on Washington anymore.
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