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To: Tublecane; Happy Rain; cripplecreek

I hate to say this but Happy Rain is right to some degree.

Anti-semitism in Poland and Ukraine was and still widespread.

As for Russian pogroms Tublecane talking about, check timeline and location of these events. Both Poland and Ukraine were parts of Russia at the time of pogroms. 90% of pogroms occured in either current Poland or Ukraine. 100% of other Russian pogroms occured in a places dominated by Ukrainian immigrants.

Despite many others their faults Russians are known for being race and gender blind. There might be some kitchen anti-semitism but it is a Ukrainian cultural input as well (all Russian anti-semitic N-words are of Ukrainian and Polish origin).

I don’t think Germans could run death camps in Russia, too. Being there was never comfortable for Germans to support military operations, let alone logistics for an enterprise like a death camp. Their lines on occupied territory were sabotaged on a daily basis by both leftover Soviet military and civilians.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 7:09:10 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
Despite many others their faults Russians are known for being race and gender blind.

LOL
25 posted on 01/07/2013 7:12:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cunning_fish
90% of pogroms occurred in either current Poland or Ukraine.

Not actually true. First of all, you have to specify when. Jews were living in Poland and the Ukraine (formerly part of one state with Poland) for centuries before they lived in Russia (which excluded them from residence in most of the country) so whatever happened to Jews wouldn't take place in Russia "outside the pale."

Most of the Khmelnytsky pogroms took place in what's now the Ukraine. Most of the 19th and early 20th century pogroms also took place outside of what is now Poland. That's not to say that there wasn't violence or repression in what's now or what was Poland. There was. Just as there was in Germany or France or Britain or Spain.

Despite many others their faults Russians are known for being race and gender blind.

Would that that were true. It certainly wasn't true of the Romanovs. And weren't we all trying to "Save Soviet Jewry" just a little while ago?

I don’t think Germans could run death camps in Russia, too. Being there was never comfortable for Germans to support military operations, let alone logistics for an enterprise like a death camp.

Clearly. That was too close to the front lines and too disorganized. Most of those partisans, though, were in Belarus and Ukraine. You might give the Ukrainians and Belorussians some credit for that along with all the blame you cast around. As it was though, thousands -- hundreds of thousands -- of Jews were killed by the German Army and its auxiliaries on Soviet territory without ever seeing a death camp.

35 posted on 01/08/2013 10:12:21 AM PST by x
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