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Rand Paul: Less Aid to Israel Would Increase Its Sovereignty
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 07 Jan 2013 05:34 PM | Stephen Feller

Posted on 01/07/2013 5:49:38 PM PST by Olog-hai

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1 posted on 01/07/2013 5:49:47 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
...it will be a lot harder for America to help others “if we are out of money,”

IF?

...Clue, get one.

2 posted on 01/07/2013 5:53:10 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Olog-hai

You want to help Israel, don’t give money or weapons to Muslim’s. Israel would be 1000% stronger instantly.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 5:54:15 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Olog-hai

The nut doesn’t fall far from the tree. Get back to us, Rand, when the Billions in foreign aid to Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Mexico are shut off.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 5:55:54 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Olog-hai

Just like dear old dad, fund islamicfasist but screw Israel.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 5:58:59 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: American in Israel

You want to help Israel, don’t give money or weapons to Muslim’s. Israel would be 1000% stronger instantly.

Amen.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 5:59:34 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: TADSLOS

Any call to strip Israel of Aid should within the same damn breath is mandatory to state that we need to eliminate aid to countries that are antagonistic of Israel.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 6:00:37 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Olog-hai

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree..so he wants to cut off aid to Israel but I wonder if he wants to cut off aid to Muslim countries who want to destroy Israel


8 posted on 01/07/2013 6:02:28 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Olog-hai

Sort of disappointing to hear such a statement from Ron’s son. Hoped Rand would steer clear of some of his father’s nuttier ideas.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 6:04:16 PM PST by Will88
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Paul indicated that all foreign aid should be eliminated.

Paul indidicated that aid to Israel should be cut only after aid was eliminated from other nations, particularly Israel's enemies in the region.

And he acknowledges that Bibi also would like to see military aid to Israel reduced and eventually eliminated. Of course supplying Egypt with F16s and Abrams tanks makes that more difficult.

10 posted on 01/07/2013 6:08:18 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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Paul indicated that all foreign aid should be eliminated.

Paul indidicated that aid to Israel should be cut only after aid was eliminated from other nations, particularly Israel's enemies in the region.

And he acknowledges that Bibi also would like to see military aid to Israel reduced and eventually eliminated. Of course supplying Egypt with F16s and Abrams tanks makes that more difficult.

11 posted on 01/07/2013 6:08:24 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Will88
Hoped Rand would steer clear of some of his father’s nuttier ideas.

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

12 posted on 01/07/2013 6:08:47 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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Paul indicated that all foreign aid should be eliminated.

Paul indidicated that aid to Israel should be cut only after aid was eliminated from other nations, particularly Israel's enemies in the region.

And he acknowledges that Bibi also would like to see military aid to Israel reduced and eventually eliminated. Of course supplying Egypt with F16s and Abrams tanks makes that more difficult.

13 posted on 01/07/2013 6:09:37 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Olog-hai

The sooner that the entire nation of Israel learns to trust in and lean on the Holy One of Israel, the better the whole world will be.

Hopefully, the US will not turn our back on Israel during this time.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 6:09:50 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Yes, he said all aid to countries like Egypt and Pakistan would FIRST have to be stopped before talk of any cuts in aid to Israel.
15 posted on 01/07/2013 6:11:06 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: SJackson

If financial aid to Israel were slowly decreased over time, it would increase the Jewish state’s sovereignty because they wouldn’t need to get permission from the U.S. every time they need to defend themselves against aggressive neighbors, Sen. Rand Paul said on Monday.

Paul said that while he knows the idea of decreasing any kind of foreign aid is a “minority opinion” in Washington, it will be a lot harder for America to help others “if we are out of money,” reported Fox News.


16 posted on 01/07/2013 6:12:32 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: American in Israel

Might be a good idea to read the article before making knee-jerk comments. We can’t afford to continue to be Santa to our own, let alone the rest of the world. Sen. Paul clearly calls for aid to questionable countries be eliminated, and only then, to review aid for Israel.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 6:13:39 PM PST by Vladzred
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To: SJackson

That doesn’t mean that foreign aid from other countries to places like Egypt, Palestine, Iran, Pakistan et al won’t be eliminated.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 6:15:18 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Rhetorical question: why should any gentile American care about Israel when a large majority of American Jews voted for Obama instead of Romney, knowing their respective records on the Jewish State?

I gotta tell you, I for one am pretty sick of giving a rat's hairy behind about moral commitments (and that's what Israel is, it certainly isn't in America's narrow security interests to support them) when the Americans with the far greater cause to care can't seem to be bothered.

19 posted on 01/07/2013 6:15:35 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Because if we don’t care about Israel, then we become just like Obama.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 6:16:40 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: American in Israel

A bit of an overreactions to a freefloating quote from a snippet of a story. Rand Paul is one of the very, very few Washingtonians to understand the debt problem.


21 posted on 01/07/2013 6:18:08 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Olog-hai

Watching the Muslims slowing but up this country’s media and helping idiots like Paul bots and Obama get into office is beyond frightening .

Then nasty anti-semite Hagel who treated everyone like crap while in office tells me
Israel is in deep trouble .


22 posted on 01/07/2013 6:19:51 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: GraceG

Maybe it was in the same damnable breath. You’d never know, because whoever wrote the article gets to decide when and what to tell us, especially what to put in the headline.


23 posted on 01/07/2013 6:20:08 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Raw stop making lame excuses got this flake


24 posted on 01/07/2013 6:21:02 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: Olog-hai

Israel is the ONLY reliable ally we have in the entire Mediterranean area. Its the only non-Muslim state in the Levant or North Africa.

Only a total idiot or a Paul could POSSIBLY come to such a conclusion.

Why is it that we get such loose cannons and people devoid of faith in the core principles they allege to follow in our ranks??????


25 posted on 01/07/2013 6:23:00 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Olog-hai

What is wrong with Rand Paul? There’s no conceivable reason why anyone in Washington would make it a point to publicly express an opinion unfavorable to Israel unless he/she was seeking a position in the Obama administration.

No one has any reason to be interested in what Rand Paul might think about Israel except anti-semites whom Mr. Paul might be trying to ingratiate himself with.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 6:23:46 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: Gluteus Maximus

All the anti Semites are out in full
Force tonight !
Israel is are only military ally on the region and a source for all terrorist movements .
Where did you live on 9-11!


27 posted on 01/07/2013 6:24:15 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: Olog-hai
Interestingly, there are a number of staunch supporters of Israel who have been saying this for years. One of their concerns was that Israel's reliance on U.S. military and financial aid would result in political constraints on Israel that would potentially put Israel's interests at risk under changing U.S. administrations.

I think noted "neo-con" Richard Perle was the author of a report on this very subject a while back.

28 posted on 01/07/2013 6:24:30 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Vladzred

Reducing aid to Israel and not reducing aid to muslim countries is to stab Israel in the back. My comment is not knee jerk, it is serious. STOP giveing money and weapons to Muslims. They are at war with us, they want to kill us all. Giving them weapons is knee-jerk spending.

Glad that Sen. Paul understands giving foreign aid that we dont have away is stupid. But perhaps focusing on our enemies first instead of our friends is beyond obvious.

To some at least.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 6:25:59 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Good points there. A broader issue is that a lot of folks all across the political spectrum are likely to become very concerned once other nations start to have a stronger influence in U.S. politics and end up imposing their own "moral commitments" on us through their lobbying efforts.

Heck -- I would make the case that Saudi Arabia now has at least as much influence on U.S. foreign policy as Israel ever did.

30 posted on 01/07/2013 6:27:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: ncalburt

Consider the handle.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 6:27:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Tublecane

If I thought a font size larger than 10 would have worked on the page, I would have used it.

WE... HAVE... NO... MONEY...

There is no worse fool than one that once had lots of money and still has a Visa mentality.


32 posted on 01/07/2013 6:29:09 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ncalburt

“Raw stop making lame excuses got this flake”

Huh?


33 posted on 01/07/2013 6:29:59 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Alberta's Child

Rand Paul was stating a canard. Israel’s foreign policy is not influenced by US aid coming from liberal DC politicians.

And as for foreign aid to Islamist countries (especially those neighboring Israel), well and good that we cut them off, but that means that other countries that fund them merely keep it up or increase their funding. And such countries have quite a bit of antipathy towards Israel.


34 posted on 01/07/2013 6:30:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It’s a good example of why I don’t trust libertarians. They pander to leftist prejudices. They know what they’re doing and want to stick it to Christian conservatives.

They turn a blind eye to the government legalizing abortion and then act like its nobodies business once it’s legal.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 6:31:02 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: Tublecane
Rand Paul is one of the very, very few Washingtonians to understand the debt problem.

I disagree. His first target upon arrival in DC was the defense budget, which is constitutional, and absolutely necessary. But, like his colleagues, he has offered nothing serious in terms of the real budget problems, which are the unconstitutional New Deal and Great Society entitlement programs and the agencies that have grown up around them. They are what is breaking our back.

I hate to do it but I'll paraphrase James Carville: "It's the unconstitutional spending, stupid."

As far as Israel is concerned, we get more bang for our defense buck helping them than we do practically anywhere else.

No surprises here at all re Rand Paul. It's been clear all along that he's nothing more than a little slicker version of his father.

36 posted on 01/07/2013 6:32:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The First Amendment does not separate church and state. But it should separate school and state.)
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To: American in Israel

Who has a Visa mentality? This article is about Rand wantng to end foreign subsidies. I don’t know the context of his “if” because the reporter won’t tell me. But I’ll bet you it was rhetorical.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 6:34:37 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: onyx
Yes, he said all aid to countries like Egypt and Pakistan would FIRST have to be stopped before talk of any cuts in aid to Israel.

Somehow, you are the only person among the horde of neocon seminar posters on this thread who has managed to provide an accurate context for Paul's quote.

38 posted on 01/07/2013 6:40:59 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: EternalVigilance
No surprises here at all re Rand Paul. It's been clear all along that he's nothing more than a little slicker version of his father.

True. Ron Paul and Hutton Gibson could co-author a book on how to parent sons.

39 posted on 01/07/2013 6:41:16 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Just because we defund Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan et al doesn’t mean Russia, China or the European Union follow suit.


40 posted on 01/07/2013 6:42:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: EternalVigilance

Just because defense is in the constitution doesn’t mean everything we do in the name of it is necessary, let alone constitutional. I hardly see how subsidizing Israel is defense at all, except through the contortions and back flips of neoconservative logic, which isn’t very convincing.

In a perfect world all the various wealth redistribution schemes since the New Deal would die before one cent is taken from constitutionally empowered spending. But this foot-stamping of supposed conservatives should their favorite programs tighten belts sounds an awful lot like welfare for me and not for thee. We must be willing to sacrifice what we like, too, if we are ever to curb debt.


41 posted on 01/07/2013 6:43:03 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Olog-hai
Cutting aid to all in the region, Israel and Muslim-dominated countries alike, as Rand Paul is suggesting, would leave Saudi Arabia as the lead source of foreign aid in the region. Saudi financial support would go to Muslim-dominated countries. The effect would be to make Israel a lame sitting duck.

Oil created extremist Islamic ascendancy and can destroy Israel. A U.S. counter-balance is required.

The only Middle East foreign aid that Paul should discuss cutting is to Egypt and Pakistan, if they don't behave. Further, any aid they do receive should be non-military, so as not to affect the balance of power.

42 posted on 01/07/2013 6:51:26 PM PST by Kennard
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Because if we don’t care about Israel, then we become just like Obama

It seems to be working out pretty well for Obama and his ilk. So why not?

Over 50% of our countrymen voted for him. The 'Rat majority appears to be here to stay. As far as I'm concerned, the last election was the final straw.

I don't see a single reason to care at this point.

43 posted on 01/07/2013 6:55:58 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I have a thing about reading the posted articles.

:)


44 posted on 01/07/2013 6:56:10 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

If you want to be just like Obama, then by all means feel that way. I’m sure that Obama is just fine with such a ready surrender as that. It’s always darkest just before when?


45 posted on 01/07/2013 6:57:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Tublecane

You sure you are on the right forum?


46 posted on 01/07/2013 6:58:45 PM PST by Olog-hai
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Just because defense is in the constitution doesn’t mean everything we do in the name of it is necessary, let alone constitutional.

Part of that makes sense, sort of. The rest, not so much.

I hardly see how subsidizing Israel is defense at all,

They're our staunch ally, in one of the most important and dangerous parts of the world, an area that doesn't contain that many reliable allies. It's hard for me to fathom how anyone could fail to see that.

except through the contortions and back flips of neoconservative logic, which isn’t very convincing.

"Neoconservative." Whatever that means this week.

In a perfect world all the various wealth redistribution schemes since the New Deal would die before one cent is taken from constitutionally empowered spending.

No. Not in a perfect world. In a world in which American politicians, including Rand Paul, paid due regard to their constitutional oaths of office.

But this foot-stamping of supposed conservatives should their favorite programs tighten belts sounds an awful lot like welfare for me and not for thee.

Defense isn't welfare, and I'm not foot-stomping for anything.

We must be willing to sacrifice what we like, too, if we are ever to curb debt.

What anyone "likes" is completely irrelevant. The only things that matter are constitutionality and what is required for those who represent us in government to fulfill their primary task, which is the defense of the lives, the liberty, the property, the sovereignty, and the security of the American people.

47 posted on 01/07/2013 7:04:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe we should use that logic with the United States and China. I wonder if he thinks that would be a good idea too!


48 posted on 01/07/2013 7:07:25 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: lonestar67
On top of that, they try to present themselves as “true conservatives”. The Founding Fathers would see a remarkable difference between their ideals and the ideals that the country was set up to be.
Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.

— Charles Carrollton, signatory of Declaration of Independence

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. … And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. …

— George Washington

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. … Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

— John Adams

49 posted on 01/07/2013 7:07:43 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Vladzred
Might be a good idea to read the article before making knee-jerk comments. We can’t afford to continue to be Santa to our own, let alone the rest of the world. Sen. Paul clearly calls for aid to questionable countries be eliminated, and only then, to review aid for Israel.

Good point - and you're right that Senator Paul preconditioned the idea upon first eliminating aid to Israel's (and our) enemies. Just a few years ago, the very same point was made by none other than my hero Benjamin Netanyahu.

Like the crippling dependency of transfer recipients upon the welfare state, Israel's dependency upon American tax dollars limits the sovereignty of the Jewish state to whatever extent Washington allows. Over time, such power has corrupted the benefactor to the point that DC now conditions its aid upon heavy handed micromanagement of Israel's internal affairs. "Take the Queen's shilling, do the Queen's bidding."

It would be healthier if Israel was free to tell Washington to pound sand.

50 posted on 01/07/2013 7:26:45 PM PST by Always A Marine
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