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To: Avid Coug
Are the gang bangers getting them from legal gun owners, or what?

No, gang bangers tend to have the real McCoy as in fully automatic weapons. They are not getting these legally. There is a weapon pipeline just like there is a drug pipeline into countries. There is no paperwork and cold cash is needed. You have to know where to go and who to talk to.

A lot of the weapons are brand new and not stolen.

82 posted on 01/10/2013 6:32:54 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

No, gangbangers don’t have fully automatic SMGs, ARs, or, heaven forbid, LMGs. Mostly they have cheap pistols.
We’d be hearing about it every second of the day for weeks if some gangster dumped a clip into a crowd of rival gangbangers from a real MAC-10 or full-auto M-16. The Mainstream Propaganda would lap it up. The number of murders in this country committed with fully automatic weapons in this country approaches zero.
What automatic weapons are in private hands in this country are mostly locked up in gun safes.


86 posted on 01/10/2013 6:46:56 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: USAF80
gang bangers tend to have the real McCoy as in fully automatic weapons. They are not getting these legally. There is a weapon pipeline just like there is a drug pipeline into countries. There is no paperwork and cold cash is needed....A lot of the weapons are brand new and not stolen.

You have to know where to go and who to talk to.

Oh, you mean Eric Holder and his boss.

87 posted on 01/10/2013 6:49:06 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: USAF80

Ahhhh! Statistics!

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

Crime with Legally Owned Machine Guns

In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the ATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)

Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 ‘ban’ on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.


Thanks to the staff of the Columbus, Ohio Public Library for the details of the Waller case.

Source: talk.politics.guns FAQ, part 2.

The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio (source).

In Targeting Guns, Kleck cites the director of ATF testifying before Congress that he knew of less than ten crimes that were committed with legally owned machine guns (no time period was specified). Kleck says these crimes could have been nothing more than violations of gun regulations such as failure to notify ATF after moving a registered gun between states.

Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns

Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)

In 1980, when Miami’s homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a “machine gun Mecca” and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:

Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.

A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.

16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with “the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations” were machine guns.


88 posted on 01/10/2013 6:57:53 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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