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Andrea Mitchell Corrects Guest Who Called Herself "Pro-Life": ....
Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2013 | Greg Stengler

Posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:10 PM PST by Kaslin

My (rhetorical) question is this: Why would a pro-abortion--or, "pro-choice" if you're looking for something more value neutral--advocate like Andrea Mitchell want the issue of life and death to be "value-neutral"?

Here's a little nugget I came across today from Pastor John MacArthur: "They keep saying, 'A school is supposed to be a safe place!' Yeah well so is a womb.

Andrea Mitchell Corrects Guest Who Called Herself "Pro-Life": "Anti-Abortion Is More Value-Neutral"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abortion; mediabias; mediamalpractice; moralabsolutes; prolife; propaganda; valueneutral; values
The rest of the title is: "Anti-Abortion Is More Value-Neutral"
1 posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:12 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

And the woman being interviewed agreed with her...thus, allowing herself to be labeled.


2 posted on 01/09/2013 6:45:10 PM PST by MarDav
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To: Kaslin

This is to be expected from Andrea Mitchell, she’s a liberal leftist ditz.

Of course we all know that:)


3 posted on 01/09/2013 6:49:25 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Kaslin

Is an aborted fetus alive?

Is a fetus that arrives full-term alive?

If you favor the latter and oppose the former, what exactly is the problem with the term “pro-life”? (other than the obvious contrast with the desires of those who disagree with you, which is in fact why they need to fall back on euphmisms to live with their cavalier attitude to the destruction of human life).


4 posted on 01/09/2013 6:54:20 PM PST by Stosh
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To: Kaslin

Whoever controls the semantics controls the debate, and you need to slap them down hard as soon as you catch them trying to do it, or you’re going to lose.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 6:59:14 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Kaslin

The “term” anti-abortion is NOT value-neutral. It takes a position: it is “anti” abortion. So, her logic is wrong. But, that was not her point. Her point (as in any debate) is to control the definition of the terms. This is standard procedure for any debate. Once the definitions of the terms has been agreed to, the debate can begin. (As a side note: whenever liberals get into a debate about any issue, they always try to move the shading of the terms. So, for example, a cut in spending is when they reduce the amount of the proposed increase to a smaller increase. The important thing to remember is once you allow a term to be defined, the debate proceeds from that point. You cannot go back and redefine a term in mid-debate. This is why we lose so often.)

I have never referred to myself as anti anything. The other side might refer to me that way, but I do not. When the pro-abortionist (see, aren’t I being kind) refer to me as anti-abortion, I always correct them. I am pro-life. I will not automatically cede the definition of the terms to them, as this is, in part what rules the debate.

I am pro-life. They are pro-abortion. In the debate on this issue these terms can suffice. We are both in favor of a position. Now, let the debate begin.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 7:04:43 PM PST by MarDav
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Hey Andrea....ya festering lesbian dwarf!

You’re a wild-eyed baby-killin’ muncher. How’s that for “value neutral”?

ROCKLOBSTER

(PS Sarah Palin says Hi)


8 posted on 01/09/2013 7:07:52 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Kaslin

Got me a new tagline...


9 posted on 01/09/2013 7:13:33 PM PST by proudpapa (A school is supposed to be a safe place!' Yeah well so is a womb!)
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To: Kaslin

New tag line:

A school is supposed to be a safe place? Yeah well, so is the womb.


10 posted on 01/09/2013 7:19:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard (A school is supposed to be a safe place? Yeah well, so is the womb.)
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To: Kaslin
I understand now Andrea.....If the room you are holding your interviews in was considered a womb...I could kill u all and feel proud for being “value-neutral”...Gotcha Ya!
11 posted on 01/09/2013 7:24:10 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: MarDav

Unless you have heard the whole interview, which I haven’t; the video is only 44 seconds, so I can’t tell


12 posted on 01/09/2013 7:28:32 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Population control.

Remove God.

Dumb followers of her party too stupid to see they are killing more minorities while claiming to care about them. Kinda hard to get passed that.

13 posted on 01/09/2013 7:31:01 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: proudpapa

Time to turn this gun ‘debate’ 180 degrees and make it about truly protecting life. Planned Parenthood alone murdered 333,964 babies in 2011, versus 8,583 people murdered by gun.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 7:37:24 PM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Kaslin

This 44 seconds, which opens up the interview, lays the ground for their discussion and all you need to see to understand my point. Mitchell, a liberal, open with associating her guest with Jesse Helms and John Ashcroft (very conservative), then, after broaching the topic (moving the Republican Party away from extreme views of women’s reproductive rights, introduces her guest, who says, “I’m very pro-life” (paraphrasing here), to which Mitchell immediately, almost under her breath, counters, “Let’s call it anti-abortion...the more value-neutral term...” (again, paraphrasing). To which her guest, almost without thinking, accedes.

Mitchell has taken control of the debate at that point. The debate is no longer about life, but a medical procedure...at the least, it has shifted away from consideration of the unborn and squarely onto consideration solely of the mother carrying the unborn. This is what happens in the abortion debate. The terms being set by the liberal, the pro-abortion/pro-choice individual has moved the debate by defining the terms.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 7:40:33 PM PST by MarDav
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To: Kaslin

Wow. I think we should email the network, because Andrea Mitchell made herself the story. That is not journalism; that’s opinion and commentary.

On a side note, I think I may be coming down with the flu. Can’t keep my eyes open. Does anyone else have this? I’ve been wiping down surfaces with Lysol all day. I should have a glass of Pepsi to open my eyes and be able to post coherently. :)

I’ll see if I can find contact info for Ms. Mitchell and more importantly, her boss.


16 posted on 01/09/2013 7:46:43 PM PST by proud American in Canada (Pray for America. And Happy New Year!!)
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To: Kaslin
I can't escape the notion that pro-abortion serial killers and sycophants of these serial killers feel every live birth represents a failure of the first order.
17 posted on 01/09/2013 7:47:52 PM PST by stevem
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When it comes to life, there sohould not be value-neutrality.....


18 posted on 01/09/2013 8:56:33 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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When it comes to life, there sohould not be value-neutrality.....


19 posted on 01/09/2013 8:57:57 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Boo-yah.

:D


20 posted on 01/09/2013 9:02:18 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Kaslin

Pro-life is clear. Pro-death is also clear. Value neutral is commie-speak.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:40 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Kaslin

it’s pro-life and opposing that is pro-baby killing.


22 posted on 01/10/2013 12:43:10 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: MarDav; FlyingEagle
we need to stop being defensive and go on the offensive

No using the term "pro-abortion" -- abort is a euphemism for ending something. you can abort a process

The real term we should use is "pro-baby killing" or "pro-death"

As flyingeagle says, it's not value-neutral

abortion signifies ending some process, not ending a life. Are we ok with saying pro-abortion to those supporting the death-penalty? Aborting a life?

No, it's pro-death penalty

Same thing for "abortionists" -- they are pro-baby killing or pro-death

23 posted on 01/10/2013 12:53:36 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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Oh, ok, Andrea, but it’s not a value-neutral issue. If I’m anti-abortion, then surely you’ll be ok with being called pro-abortion? What? No. You’re pro-choice? I figured so.

Leftists love to use the language to their advantage. For example, they like to use terms like zygote, embryo, and fetus to refer to the baby in the womb. They use the scientific terms to say the baby is not a person, rather than a person in a specific stage of development.

They don’t like the term pro-life because it sounds good to those in the middle on this issue, so they now want to change the term to anti-abortion. That makes it easier for them to call people who oppose abortion anti-woman misogynists rather than people concerned about the life which in the womb.

The term for them used to be pro-abortion, but they changed that to pro-choice. They don’t like the term pro-abortion. They say that being pro-abortion means that you support abortion for everyone and not the choice for it. That’s so ludicrous it’s laughable. When people are pro-gay marriage, it means people support the right to gay marriage, not that they all want to get married to someone of the same sex. When people are pro-gun, it doesn’t mean they believe everyone has to own a gun; it means they believe everyone has a right to own a gun. These movements don’t call themselves “pro-choice” because “choice” is a general term. You have to specify which choice you want. A part of them has to be afraid the term “abortion” will turn people away. If abortion is such a wonderful thing, why be ashamed of being pro-abortion?


24 posted on 01/10/2013 1:32:08 AM PST by Pinkbell
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What is wrong with conservatives? Why do we constantly let these marxists set the context?

Whats wrong with "I SAID I'M PRO LIFE".

25 posted on 01/10/2013 7:10:33 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Pinkbell
For example, they like to use terms like zygote, embryo, and fetus to refer to the baby in the womb.

Yet for the bulging belly of pregnant celebrities they use the phrase "baby bump", not "fetus bump".

26 posted on 01/10/2013 9:32:44 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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