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West New York assemblywoman's bill would require psychological tests for all gun buyers
nj.com ^ | January 10, 2013

Posted on 01/10/2013 9:04:19 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Edited on 01/10/2013 9:07:23 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Individuals seeking a permit to buy firearms in New Jersey would have to submit results of a psychological evaluation before they could buy a gun, under a bill introduced yesterday in the Legislature by West New York Assemblywoman Angelica Jimenez.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/10/2013 9:04:26 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Make it part of the motor-voter laws and I’ll consider it..................


2 posted on 01/10/2013 9:08:06 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
[sarc]
So why not have a psych test for:

- voters
- buying a newspaper
- attending church
- going to school
- getting a welfare check
etc

3 posted on 01/10/2013 9:09:21 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Red Badger

How about a head check for politicos..?


4 posted on 01/10/2013 9:09:49 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: taxcontrol

You left out

Holding public office


5 posted on 01/10/2013 9:10:32 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I propose a law that all representatives and voters must pass a psycological test and IQ test, with a minium 100 IQ to vote.

They must also be gainfully employed or otherwise not reliant on government aid for the last 365 days.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 9:10:32 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

How about a psychological test for anyone wishing to live in West New York, NJ or perhaps even anywhere in the entire state????


7 posted on 01/10/2013 9:11:26 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m sure all the liberal psychologists will love having this kind of power.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 9:13:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And this law can be implemented after all welfare recipients receive drug tests.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 9:13:13 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And no one would ever get through all the barriers set up by this bill. This is just another gun prohibition feint.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 9:13:35 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

There wouldn’t be any.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 9:13:41 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
in·fringe
[in-frinj]
verb (used with object)
1. to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress: to infringe a copyright; to infringe a rule. verb (used without object)
2. to encroach or trespass (usually followed by on or upon ): Don't infringe on his privacy.
Origin: 1525–35; < Latin infringere to break, weaken, equivalent to in- in-2 + -fringere, combining form of frangere to break

For the love of Pete! What part of "shall not be infringed" doesn't compute here? They are literally attempting to encroach on the rights of Americans to own firearms. Mental illness is not an affirmative offense. If you've not been adjudicated mentally defective, then you can own firearms under the existing law.

Lock up the God-forsaken mental cases and work to either rehabilitate them or keep them out of society. The facts that we're allowing drug-addled children to play violent video games in lieu of parenting and giving convicted violent offenders a free pass back into society are two very big reasons for the problems that we have.

12 posted on 01/10/2013 9:14:17 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about we have a psychological test for holding elected office ... the desire or willingness to violate the Constitution is an obvious, disqualifying sign of insanity.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 9:15:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: taxcontrol

Voting and getting a welfare check for sure, along with a drug test.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 9:16:55 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Adam Lanza’s mother would have passed


15 posted on 01/10/2013 9:17:25 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about psych evals for anyone running for public office?


16 posted on 01/10/2013 9:17:41 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This assemblywoman just wanted to see her name in print in some NJ papers. If she's lucky, she might even be mentioned on the local evening news.

Not bad for a town of 49,000 people.

17 posted on 01/10/2013 9:20:11 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Liberty and Freedom!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

it’s NOT just the assemblywoman pushing this it’s ALSO soem republicans and cuomo who is [pushing htis= cuomo is hoping to ‘look presidential’ by ‘leading hte nation’ on gun control- forcing kids to stay in school loner- longer days, longer school year- and forcign peopel to eat and drink what he deems fit for us-

Heaqlth officials are ALREADY required to ask citizens if they’ve ‘ever felt liek harmign htemselves or others’ AND whether ‘there are any weapons in the home’

New Yorkers if you are readign htis- you need to prepare yourself to be asked this and to respond ot hte health official “That’s personal and you have no right askign me that’ where I live, I was asked that and it caught me off guard and I like a dummy answered that there were guns in the home- and now my hosuehold is on record as ownign a gun.

In New York you will soon be required to divulge to health officials that you own or have a gun in home- and they will order a mental heaLTH exam at regular intervals apaprently.

This bill, which is expected to pass, is nothign more than a GUN GRAB- They can’t take your guns away based o nthe constitution, so they are goign to take htem away based on ‘mental health concerns’ to be determined by biased anti-gun health officials


18 posted on 01/10/2013 9:20:18 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dumb...The Newtown killer took the guns from someone else but we know he had emotional problems.

The Webster NY killer had bludgeoned his 92 year old gandmother to death with a hammer, was eventually released and had someone else buy the guns used in the Dec 24th ambush.

The Theatre killer was deemed a real nasty nut by his shrink...who even discussed him with her colleages...but never went further.

The Fort Hood killer was given free rein SINCE HE WAS A MUSLIM and Obama is/was his Muslim Commander In Chief. Remember..."let's not come to any conclusions"....despite the fact that he yelled allah akbar as he mowed them down.

19 posted on 01/10/2013 9:20:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Recently normalized pedophiles would be affirmative action discount buyers while any resident of a “Southish State” would need a certified "Party Member in good standing” co-sponsor.
20 posted on 01/10/2013 9:20:40 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (<-------currently working through post-election anger issues.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Treason.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 9:21:00 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

They need to be tested on American History.


22 posted on 01/10/2013 9:21:26 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’ll go with a simple test on the Constitution designed by Mark Levin. That’ll knock out 99% of the psychos and low information, believe anything idiots right off the bat.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 9:22:05 AM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why not just use a Mr. 8-ball? It has all the reliability of a “psychological test” .


24 posted on 01/10/2013 9:22:12 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And yet there is no psychological test required for Assemblywomen.
25 posted on 01/10/2013 9:22:59 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would require a psych test for anyone stupid enough to be a liberal rat.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 9:23:25 AM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If they required psychological evaluation for every politician in the US, we would find 2/3 failed.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 9:23:25 AM PST by Logical me
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To: taxcontrol

-running for the assembly


28 posted on 01/10/2013 9:27:55 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: dinodino

“How about psych evals for anyone running for public office?”

..in addition to complete disclosure of medical history, including all pharmaceuticals (legal and illegal) taken and currently taken; . . .submit to random drug and alcohol testing while in office and after office while receiving a any type of legislative pension or benefit**....an authenticated birth certificate. . .

** any legislator found with mid altering drugs or substances in his or her body shall be prohibited from voting on any issue for 60 days after the first offense, 6 months after the 2nd offense, and will be expelled from serving in any government capacity for life. No presidential pardons may be given for a period of 25 years after the first violation....


29 posted on 01/10/2013 9:30:11 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
How about a head check for politicos..?


30 posted on 01/10/2013 9:31:43 AM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: dinodino

[[How about psych evals for anyone running for public office?]]

Better yet, how abotu psych evals doen by physicians of the people’s choosing so that those runnign for government iwll have NO influence over the outcome (but hte peopel of course will have influence abotu how the evaluation turns out- just like the government is proposing to do to us- They will hire their own lackey physicians who will be obvious anti-gun nuts who will show extreme bias towards guns and htose hwo own them

Where the HELL is the NRA on this issue? NY is proposing to VIOLATE the constitution of the united states by forcing everyone to undergo a mental health evaluation if they want to own a gun, and NY’ers will be forced to see physicians who will obviously be paid by cuomo’s office to perform the evaluations? What hte hell?

I thought qwhen I first read the article ‘Niope- no way this will pass the house-’ but then at end of article I see that the ‘republicans’ are mostly onboard this too and that it’s likely to pass?

We are VERY quickly moving towards a socialist nation and cuomo is pushing us htere in a big hurry- and he’s goign to likely run and win in the 2016 election because he is already beginning to promise thsoe suckling off the gove3rnment’s teet- that they will get more if he’s around to make sure they do-

I keep seeing lots of peopel claiming that there’s no way the govenrtment is goign to take hgteir guns away- that they are goign to fight rather than relinquish- however, I see NO organized effort to resist what NY is proposing to do- How far is too far? Where the hell is the NRA? NY is blatantly violating NY’er’s rights, and hte NRA and those who claimed they woudl fight ot hte bitter end are basically silent o nthe issue and rolling over and allowign hteir rights to be taken from them- Cuomo knows noone will dare oppose him- and thta’s exactly whaT HE’S BANKING ON and gettign away with


31 posted on 01/10/2013 9:32:54 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Better Idea:

Psychological evaluation by independent, no-partisan professionals for all candidates running for political office and annual evaluations for all elected officials currently in office - up to and including the president.

With results to be made immediately available to the public.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 9:33:15 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Mouton

look at the map - outlying Counties are Red - plus the hill country is too gorgeous to leave entirely to the tree huggers....someone needs to thin the deer herd and fill the freezer


33 posted on 01/10/2013 9:35:55 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And who is going to review all these tests? At what point does psychological fitness become subjective? What other constitutional rights are competence-tested?

This is a “cure” that’s far worse than its disease.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 9:36:20 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: rarestia

[[What part of “shall not be infringed” doesn’t compute here? They are literally attempting to encroach on the rights of Americans to own firearms.]]

Exactly- but they are goign to get away with it almsot compeltely uncontested too-

[[Lock up the God-forsaken mental cases and work to either rehabilitate them or keep them out of society.]]

That’s not hte solution (well it’s an obvious no brainer ot lock away TRULY insane people- however, what cuomo is proposing is that everyone who owns a gun be given mental health evaluations apparently so the governemtn can then ‘legally take away their firearms because the evalution determiend that the gun owners ‘might pose a risk’ to society’

cuomo’s lawyers (I’m assuming it was his lawyers, as he’s not smart enouygh himself to coem up with hte idea) foudn a major loophole in the constitution because hte constitution did not specifically state that even peopel with mental problems shall not have hteir rights infringed upon, sand they are now succesfully no doubt, goign to exploit htis oversight

Either the gun owners of NY are goign to have to form a coalition and go out in force and declare that they will NOT be subjected to uncosntitutional evaluations and gun restrictions, OR, they ARE goign to lose hteir rights to own guns- it’s coming NY- You are abotu to lose your right to own a gun, and worse yet, you will now be subjected to mental health evaluations agaisnt your will which you will no doubt fail per order of the govenrment of NY.

VT or NH used to have a motto they lived by that aid ‘live free or die’, but I see that is no longer a motto that they live by- Theey shioudl just change hteirm otto to ‘Everyone, please, just do what the government tells you, or die’


35 posted on 01/10/2013 9:43:58 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Red Badger
Make it part of the motor-voter laws and I’ll consider it..................

Better yet - make it a prerequisite for politicians before they can run; each and every time...

36 posted on 01/10/2013 9:44:50 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

POLITICIANS FIRST!!!


37 posted on 01/10/2013 9:44:59 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Revelation 911

I used to hunt around the Manville area 55 years ago. Cannot even shoot an air rifle there now with out drawing the ire of some home owner.

If it suits you, we can carve out the area around the delaware water gap or west of state 202 and give it to Pa...surely not NY where Bloomberg and Cuomo are going bonzai on guns.


38 posted on 01/10/2013 9:45:22 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: IronJack

exactly, NY’ers are now goign to be compeltely at hte ‘mercy’ of liberally mionded anti-gun advocates who hold doctorate degrees that were finaced by the government through student loans which they can never hope to even pay off- the govenrmet OWNS thse heaklth officials- and will force these health officials to do their bidding ‘at least until their loans get paid off’ at which point, they will be let go, and new debt riddled doctors will be required to do the mental health exams on evil gun owners.


39 posted on 01/10/2013 9:49:38 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Red Badger

Should be psychological test required for all prospective public office holders. Weed out the malignant narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths and utopian megalomaniacs.

Wow - did I just disqualify 99.99% of public oriface holders?


40 posted on 01/10/2013 9:50:19 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: rarestia
The facts that we're allowing drug-addled children to play violent video games in lieu of parenting and giving convicted violent offenders a free pass back into society are two very big reasons for the problems that we have.

Exactly. And the mentally ill should be in institutions: they can find many ways of killing, with or without a gun.

In most recent cases, the mentally ill killers who used guns acquired them illegally anyway (the Sandy Hook killer stole his mother's guns), so "mental health testing prior to purchase" certainly wouldn't have helped.

41 posted on 01/10/2013 9:50:40 AM PST by livius
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To: Noumenon

But who will “test” the psychologists? Many of them are on the borderline of sanity.


42 posted on 01/10/2013 9:52:40 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: CottShop

I was asked that question several years ago when I went to a new Dr. in CA. I just told them that had nothing to do with healthcare. Also they asked a lot of other personal questions I refused to answer. I have been warning people not to answer those questions ever since.


43 posted on 01/10/2013 10:00:49 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I was comeletely cauight off guard- I was tired, and not thinking straight at the time, and I NEVER in my wildest dreams coulsd have imagined such an intrusive question liek that- I wish I had that day to do over again- and tiem to prepare my answer to them-I’m not a quick on my feet thinker when thrown oddball questions liek that- I immediately knew I had made a mistake, however, if I’m asked the question again, I will truthfully state that the guns that were i nthe hosue are no longer i nthe house (We moved fro mthe house that the guns were then in- and of course removed the guns from that house- so I’ll perhaqps even initiate the dialogue and state that there’s been an update to the gun question and make sure they write down that there are NO GUNS i nthe hosue (that I was oringimally in when they asked the question- however they won’t ned tro know that that’s what I mean)


44 posted on 01/10/2013 10:08:03 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

That happens to everyone sometime; get caught offguard and then later you kick yourself for not saying what you should have said. That’s why I warn people about my experiences.


45 posted on 01/10/2013 10:16:51 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

[[I have been warning people not to answer those questions ever since.]]

I wish I had seen a similiar warnign before I made my mistake- I do now warn others abotu hte intrusive quesitons- however, apaprently in places liek NY- it’s no longer even an issue because newspapers prin t out hte actual locatiosn of all the registered guin owners- and health officials will simply go online and gfind out for themselves even if the person decliens to tell them-

A few years back one of my health care docs decided to go to work compiling a massive new electronic database for the health industry, comprised of patient info- I didn’t think much of it then, but recently after seeing cuomo’s grab for guns and forced ‘mental health evaluations’ I’m beginning to understand that this healthcare database is becoming a toll used by government officials to violate our constitutional rights-

And another thing I noted was that more and more docs were wantign to push anti-depressents on everyone- folsk woudl go in to these health care facvilities, the docs woudl examine htem, couldn’t determine what the actual problem was, and just prescribe anti-depressents to the folks for everythign from sleeping problems, to concentration problems to chronic back problems with no known cause- I didn’t undwerstand back then why docs were so pushy about issuing perscriptions for htese addictive and dangerous anti-depressents, but I’m beginning to think that the reason they were was perhaps because they were told to- so that down hte road, the government could force peopel inbto mental evaluations because they ‘ocne had depression, and may still be sufferign from it’ EVEN IF they didn’t actually have depre4ssion but were prescribed anti-depressents anyways- (So that htey can circumvent the consitution, and have peopel either committed or forced to give up a constitutional right liek the ability to own a firearm of ANY caliber or capacity, without anyone being able to contest the ‘diagnosis’.

It’s all beginnign to become clear with NY’s announcement that they are goign to require mental health evaluations for thsoe who own guns and yearly evaluations thereafter to determine the ‘fitness to continue owning a gun’. The left isn’t even coy abotu hteir intentions anymore- they just throw their blatant violations of our constitutional rights in our faces and dare anyoen to do soemthign about it- which of course noone will-


46 posted on 01/10/2013 10:22:49 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Only considerable after it’s required of owners of vehicles bigger than a moped.


47 posted on 01/10/2013 10:26:49 AM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wouldn’t the fascist Leftists love this——like Stalin’s government-—where they just painted everyone who the government wanted eliminated as a defective or criminal or what ever, and forced people to “sign” papers or killed them, or tortured them.

This tactic is to “label” all intelligent people who understand the Constitution and the REAL meaning of words— not the Marxist warped meanings being programmed into our children through BF Skinner methodology and TV-—as defective or criminal.

Exactly the tactics of Stalin’s gulag and death camps. Give control to the so-called government trained “psychologists” who are so twisted and warped they are now claiming it is loving to sodomize little boys (Rush’s show)-—it is “good” for them.

Psychiatry is a joke in this country since they ejected Reason and Common Sense from schools because of Fabian Socialist, John Dewey.....they are now conditioning children in the Pavlovian sense and “teaching” them to “think” correctly (by emotions) that “Up is Down” in all those sick irrational public (and some private) universities-—where sodomy is “Good”, instead of the dehumanizing, vile behavior it always was, and will be.

The Satanic practice—is about power and twisted lust-—never “love”.

As Dennis Prager stated—and I find him one of the Wiser people on radio—the longer our children go to “universities”, the more Reason and Common Sense is beat out of them.

What they learn from experience (reality) for 18 years-—about human nature and life—mother and father—is destroyed in four years—and if they go to graduate schools—they become even more deluded and irrational and immoral.

Very few “educated” people can use reason and logic. I found what Prager stated, “True”—many times. I have talked with Stanford Law graduates and find they are devoid of knowledge about Law-—not only about the Constitution and Justice Joseph Story—but of Natural Law Theory-—which is the underlying philosophy of our Jurisprudence and “Rule of Law”, with Christianity sprinkled in it (and they are a dunce when it comes to Theology which is also fundamental to the Ethics of our once Great Country) .

I repeat my monologue......”Justice” is a Virtue. Just Laws have got to promote Virtue and never Vice—like sodomy and abortion. If “Just Laws” promote Vice, they are Null and Void, by the simple fact that they are “Unjust Law”— incompatible with the Supreme Law of the Land and “Justice” since we are based in the philosophy which states there is Absolute Truth—Right and Wrong and God.

The Law Schools are eliminating Truth—God—from our very Rights and claiming “rights” from Satan would be from God. It is irrational and evil and unconstitutional.

We are not a country based on Logic Positivism—when it is incompatible with Natural Laws. That is where our country is now-—going down the hell-hole, because of stupid, irrational, unjust laws and judges who do not throw the “laws” out.

They just keep making “new” unjust, unconstitutional laws which are Null and Void (John Marshall). We are NOT supposed to follow unjust laws (Nuremberg Trials).

That is what is so wrong with this country-—our Judicial System has been corrupted by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. and all the Austinian/Marxist followers who destroyed the idea of Rule of Law (there is a Higher Law than man’s). Now, we are ruled by ARBITRARY LAWS which are not “Right Reason according to Nature”. They are ALL unconstitutional and need discarding.


48 posted on 01/10/2013 10:30:40 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Prerequisite psychological testing for anyone running for public office, as well as drug testing one hour prior to every vote taken in the legislature.

And oh yeah....that goes for dog shootin cops too.

49 posted on 01/10/2013 10:37:01 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: hal ogen

That is the big Joke! Psychologists/psychiatrists are trained by the government—and certified by the government.

They can block certification of all Right thinking people like they are doing today—when students refuse to say “Sodomizing people is normal” and as Rush stated—now the “experts” are saying that sodomizing little boys is good for them.

Yes—the government “backed” Homosexual mafia is out to return us to the ideology of all the ancient cultures where sodomy was a higher form of behavior than heterosexuality and pederasty was the recreation of most of the men.

It is why our government backs muslims because they endorse sodomy , bestiality and pedophilia.

They have the “correct” belief system-—just like Stalin’s “health” officials.


50 posted on 01/10/2013 10:38:38 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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