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Jags new GM really said it (twice), no interest in Tim Tebow
Jacksonville.com ^ | 1/11/13 | Vito Stellino

Posted on 01/11/2013 5:39:45 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

Blaine Gabbert will be part of the Jaguars’ quarterback competition next summer. Tim Tebow will not.

That was the word from the Jaguars new general manager Dave Caldwell, who has been given by a free hand by owner Shad Khan to make all football decisions. Caldwell was introduced to the media on Thursday and when asked about Tebow, closed the door on bringing in the Jacksonville native.

“As far as Tim goes, he is a member of the New York Jets. I can’t imagine a scenario where he would be a Jacksonville Jaguar,’’ he said. When asked to repeat that statement, he did.

Caldwell was then asked if that meant even if Tebow is released by the Jets. “Even if he is released,’’ Caldwell replied. “I have others in mind and I’m comfortable with what’s here.’’

That should end the seemingly endless speculation that Tebow was going to wind up playing for his hometown team. ESPN even reported recently that it was a “virtual certainty’’ that Tebow would be playing for the Jaguars next season.I

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I am not a football expert, but it seems to me that at least SOME of the animosity toward Tim Tebow in the NFL has to do with his outspoken faith and NOT his athletic ability.

I saw some in the morning Miami TV media making fun of Tebow over being rejected by the Jags.

1 posted on 01/11/2013 5:39:50 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I wish Tebow would be able to play for a Florida team. Hope he gets a chance to play somewhere.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 5:45:07 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: SoFloFreeper

tim tebow would be the best quarter back to ever play for the jags.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 5:45:30 AM PST by thinden
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To: SoFloFreeper

I hope the Jags enjoy covering up thousands and thousands of seats again. Jacksonville is a bad place for an NFL team. The city is terribly spread out, it’s a huge Navy town(allegiances to other teams), and people care about college football more than the NFL.


4 posted on 01/11/2013 5:48:41 AM PST by EEGator
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To: SoFloFreeper
I am not a football expert, but it seems to me that at least SOME of the animosity toward Tim Tebow in the NFL has to do with his outspoken faith and NOT his athletic ability.

Some, probably. But the reality is Tim Tebow is simply not an NFL caliber quarterback. He's got a great attitude, a winning personality, etc, but he doesn't have the actual mechanics, skill, etc, for an NFL team to build their franchise around. Tebow might be great as a tight end who is willing to play QB if needed, but that is not what Tim wants - he thinks he can be a starting NFL QB and no team sees that in him. The NFL is about min/maxing. Especially for the QB position, they are not looking for a "rudy" jack of all trades type person - they are looking for the absolute best they can get. Tebow isn't it.

5 posted on 01/11/2013 5:50:50 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: thinden

Tebow would need to put up some decent numbers before he passes Mark Brunell.


6 posted on 01/11/2013 5:51:10 AM PST by EEGator
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To: SoFloFreeper
Its amazing to me, as well. Although expected.

Tebow has shown nothing but class the whole way - not what ESPN respects.

He needs to get involved in a nightclub shooting, or knock up a half dozen girls. Or set up a dog fighting racket.

Of course some putz will show up in a few to explain how he isn't the best QB to ever play the game.

7 posted on 01/11/2013 5:51:31 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SoFloFreeper

No doubt the NFL is trying to run Tebow out of the league because of his religious views. ESPN spends a lot of time bashing Tebow....and its Black Racist commentators are especially nasty

The NFL wants the Jags in LA....and Tebow would crimp those plans because he would sell tickets.

The city should consider using eminent domain on the Jags....I would support such a move in this case since the city of Jax owns the stadium the Jags play in. Seize the team...make the NFL squirm


8 posted on 01/11/2013 5:53:55 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Dave Caldwell says: “The Jags are happy here is Loserville. We don’t want to confuse the fans by winning games.”


9 posted on 01/11/2013 5:56:52 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: SeminoleCounty

“No doubt the NFL is trying to run Tebow out of the league because of his religious views. ESPN spends a lot of time bashing Tebow....and its Black Racist commentators are especially nasty”

Agreed; and, note that RGIII doesn’t get the same criticism for his religious beliefs that Tebow does. RGIII even emulates “the Tebow” at times, and has been quoted several times regarding his belief in God. Parker’s criticism was that RGIII was a “cornball” whatever, I don’t think he criticized his religious beliefs.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 6:07:08 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: SoFloFreeper
I also do think that his outspoken Christian faith is a big part of the media's animosity against him. Hmm, an outspoken Christian is flat-out rejected by a Muslim owner even though he is a hometown hero who would fill the seats, won the Heisman award, two national championships, set NCAA records, and lead his team to the playoffs in the only opportunity he was given as a starter. I'm not saying that is the reason the Jaguars won't take him, just that if it was an outspoken Christian not wanting to sign a Muslim athlete with the same credentials the media would be claiming bigotry.

The other thing to consider is that the media is making this a big deal as a swipe against Tebow. The Jaguars said he is under contract with the Jets. Anything else would be interfering with another team's player. They may be saying they have no interest in him now because they would have to trade for him. Why would they want to do that if the Jets end up cutting him and they can get him as a free agent? I would not be surprised if he does end up a Jaguar after all.

11 posted on 01/11/2013 6:15:48 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: Longbow1969
"Tebow might be great as a tight end who is willing to play QB if needed, but that is not what Tim wants - he thinks he can be a starting NFL QB and no team sees that in him."

Kind of reminds me of Kordell Stewart. When he was playing as "Slash," for the Steelers he was an incredibly versatile and dynamic player and his mere presence threw an opposing defense of balance. He may be a QB on one play, show up as a WR on the next, and then punt if the team failed to convert.

...But he insisted on being a full time, starting QB, and his career tanked.

12 posted on 01/11/2013 6:15:48 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SoFloFreeper

That’s the main reason. Their loss.


13 posted on 01/11/2013 6:16:41 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: EEGator

How many blackouts did the Jags have last year? Answer ZERO. How many other franchises, in Florida, had TV blackouts? Both of them.

The Jags play in a larger venue than most teams. You are right, this is a college sports town. That is the reason the stadium seats as many as it does, because of the Gator Bowl (which was not near a sell out this year either).

I don’t think the Jags are going to LA, perhaps there was a clause in the sales agreement which ties them here. I don’t know that for sure. LA could not even support the Rams or the Raiders when they had them there. If a team does go there, it will be Buffalo when Wilson gives up or perhaps San Diego IMO.

As far as Tebow goes and Caldwell’s comment, I suspect he would get nailed with a tampering charge if he said they were interested in getting him here. Tebow is under contract with the Jets. They are not going to cut him lose till they extort a draft pick from someone. Will he ever be a great NFL QB, probably not but he is serviceable. The pagans of the world hate this guy so whatever the press says about him I take with a grain of salt...he looks qualified to play to me.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 6:16:41 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Tebow is leading a biblical life. Survives the physicians who suggested that his mother kill him before birth, grows big and strong stands out as a leader and has great accomplishments early in life, finds himself hampered by jealous petty people, bit bewildered and begins an exile in the desert where it seems he is unwanted and has no home. End of story? Doubt it. More to follow.


15 posted on 01/11/2013 6:41:21 AM PST by allendale
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To: SoFloFreeper

Tebow is leading a biblical life. Survives the physicians who suggested that his mother kill him before birth, grows big and strong stands out as a leader and has great accomplishments early in life, finds himself hampered by jealous petty people, bit bewildered and begins an exile in the desert where it seems he is unwanted and has no home. End of story? Doubt it. More to follow.


16 posted on 01/11/2013 6:41:49 AM PST by allendale
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To: SoFloFreeper
...it seems to me that at least SOME of the animosity toward Tim Tebow in the NFL has to do with his outspoken faith

And conversely, is it just because he is a good Christian that some freepers ignore his inability to play quarterback in the NFL? What if his name was Mohammad KaTebow?

17 posted on 01/11/2013 6:53:58 AM PST by deadrock
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To: Joe 6-pack
...But he insisted on being a full time, starting QB, and his career tanked.

Yup, pretty good comparison.

Tebow is very likely to be out of football next season because he just doesn't have the potential to be a really great quarterback. Few teams want to invest the time in someone they can plainly see on film and in workouts doesn't have the fundamentals to even develop into an elite QB. The NFL is all about min/maxing. In key positions, teams aren't looking for a jack of all trades, master of none type of player.

Tebow has a winning attitude and personality though. With his size, if he was willing to maybe be a tight end who is also a 3rd string quarterback, he could really be valuable to someone. If he wants to stay in the NFL though in that capacity, he would probably have to stay out of the spotlight. One of the other reasons teams avoid him is they know because Tebow is outspoken about his faith and a big media draw, he is a potential QB controversy waiting to happen if the starter(s) are having a bad season.

18 posted on 01/11/2013 7:00:03 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
I think you might be right in your analysis. I like Tebow’s attitude a lot, and to be sure he has had some criticism directed at him because of his faith, but there are many, many others with the same faith who have not.

Guys like Russell Wilson RGIII (although RG has been ridiculed for not being a “real” brother). The networks hardly show it, but there are a lot of Christian athletes who gather and pray together after each game.

Not to take away from him, but Tebow has, in part, followed the well-worn path of attention getting. Notice how many new quarterbacks very publicly start dating some attractive starlet... and then very publicly break up

Tony Romo - Jessica Simpson
Mark Sanchez - Eva Longoria
Tim Tebow - Camilla Belle

As a Christian myself, it's probably not wholly accurate to say that Tebow is getting picked on because of his faith.

19 posted on 01/11/2013 7:05:20 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Longbow1969
"The NFL is all about min/maxing. In key positions, teams aren't looking for a jack of all trades, master of none type of player."

For the most part I agree, and yet, I would contend that if Kordell had continued his career as "Slash" he would have been a serious Hall Of Fame contender in a George Blanda, utility player kind of way.

As it is, I think his reality TV gig may be about the best he's going to get.

20 posted on 01/11/2013 7:09:12 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: thinden

Hang in there Tim Tebow. I believe your time is coming and don’t let all the negative minds determine your value or shortchange your potential skills as an NFL QB. When the Lord opens your door no man can shut it.


21 posted on 01/11/2013 7:11:56 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: SoFloFreeper

22 posted on 01/11/2013 7:15:11 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I know I’m just one person, but quite honestly the only reason I would watch an NFL game would be if Tebow were playing. I’m just not interested otherwise.


23 posted on 01/11/2013 7:19:58 AM PST by The Duke
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To: Mouton

Couldn’t agree more. The stadium capacity is that of Arrowhead and expands more for Florida Georgia. 67,000 is still a good size crowd to see a Jag game. Now we have to start putting up some Ws.


24 posted on 01/11/2013 7:22:15 AM PST by wisenheimers_kid
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To: allendale
End of story? Doubt it. More to follow.

If we FReepers will keep this in mind, we won't be so crushed by the things and events we don't understand. Such as the "horror" of the Sandy Hook Elementary "shootings", for one instance.
25 posted on 01/11/2013 7:26:05 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Longbow1969; SoFloFreeper

I’m personally convinced that much of the animosity toward Tebow is religion related.

It CANNOT be about his football skills. He’s one of the most successful college quarterbacks ever.

Moreover, he is totally unique in my memory in this regard:

He led what was a losing team to the playoffs, won his first playoff game, and then spent the following year totally unused.

In my mind, it’s impossible to say that Tebow is not an NFL caliber quarterback because the one time he had a chance to play, he succeeded all the way to the 2nd round of the post-season.

That is not true of Andy Dalton, RGBIII, and Andy Luck. It’s not true of Tony Romo.

My sense is that he should get a chance.


26 posted on 01/11/2013 7:36:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SeminoleCounty
No doubt the NFL is trying to run Tebow out of the league because of his religious views.

Yet I've seen several other players strike almost the same pose. One last weekend. Don't remember the name but he knelt down and obviously was praying. No MSM comment.

Not familiar with Jags attendance but Tebow would certainly add many fans.

27 posted on 01/11/2013 7:38:02 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: xzins

Agree. I find the NFL’s (with the libtard press) treatment of Tebow comparable to the GOPe’s treatment of Sarah Palin. Very similar.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 7:39:46 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: The Duke
I know I’m just one person, but quite honestly the only reason I would watch an NFL game would be if Tebow were playing. I’m just not interested otherwise.

I feel the same way, I hadn't watched an NFL game in decades. At some point it just became the National Felon League, and I quit watching. But when Tebow started playing for Denver, I started watching again. Those were some of the most interesting and fun games to watch. Living in north Florida, I would like to watch and support the Jags, but without Tebow, forget it, the Jags are unwatchable, and if the new GM won't even consider it, he is just being stupid and dooming the Jags to obscurity with Gabbert or Henne.
29 posted on 01/11/2013 7:40:53 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ll take him in Charlotte.

Cam Newton isn’t doing the Panthers much good and Charlotte is God’s country. We’d love his faith here!


30 posted on 01/11/2013 7:40:58 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Mouton

“LA could not even support the Rams or the Raiders when they had them there.”

This statement shows you have little knowledge of the reasons these teams left the LA market.


31 posted on 01/11/2013 7:41:01 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Longbow1969
Tebow is very likely to be out of football next season because he just doesn't have the potential to be a really great quarterback.

Canada could be a good fit. Anyone here follow the CFL?

32 posted on 01/11/2013 7:46:00 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: xzins
It CANNOT be about his football skills. He’s one of the most successful college quarterbacks ever.

Yes, the problem is his football skills. He doesn't have the fundamentals to be a good NFL caliber quarterback.

Lots of top flight college QB's can't cut it in the NFL. That is rather normal.

Look xzins, an NFL franchise will hire virtually anyone if they think it would help them win. They are most certainly not anti-Christian. There are lots of Christians in the league and they manage to do just fine. Tebow's problem is he isn't good enough to be a starting NFL QB, and he is too outspoken and too much of a media draw to quietly sit in the background as a 2nd or 3rd stringer. As long as he remains in the spotlight, Tebow's going to always be a fan favorite amongst many Christians - and because of that teams will always see Tebow as a QB controversy waiting to happen.

33 posted on 01/11/2013 8:31:41 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

I’m a Bills fan, so didn’t see many Tebow games until he got close to the playoffs with Denver.

All I know is that the Bills have suffered through about 5 NFL quarterbacks over their last 13 playoff-less years. Tebow is certainly no worse than the likes of Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick - and each of them got nearly at least 2 or 3 years to make it or fail in the NFL. Tebow has also won playoff games - as a rookie. Look at any other mediocre team - and you will see the same churning of mediocre QB’s, Cleveland, Oakland, Kansas City.

Tebow is the most over-analyzed QB I have ever seen. Many worse QB’s have have been given much longer times as a starter. Without a doubt, GM’s are afraid of the publicity/controversy Tebow would bring.


34 posted on 01/11/2013 8:31:41 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SoFloFreeper
Tebow was an awesome college QB. But, like so many other college players learned the hard way, talent alone does not equal success in the NFL & the NFL is much different than college.

Tebow is a horribly inaccurate passer & his throwing motion is a mess. I'm guessing the Broncos & Jets both tried to work with him on his mechanics. But, he keeps reverting back to form in the heat of the game.

That no NFL teams appear interested in him, even as a backup QB, has zero to do with his faith.

Tebow could belong to some lunatic cult and no teams would care so long as he could consistently throw TDs. The NFL is all about money.

Those who think he is being persecuted ignore the tons of other players past, present & future who promote their faith proudly.

35 posted on 01/11/2013 8:39:19 AM PST by gdani
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To: Joe 6-pack

Kordell’s strength is that he was a good but not great receiver who could be used in gadget plays. Even without the Slash thing he probably would have had a good career as a possession receiver, teams like that 3rd option receiver that finds a way to be open when the top 2 are covered. Like Wes Welker. The gadget play potential would have increased his value, but even without that he would have lasted. But he wanted to be a QB, and the rest is history.

Tebow really needs to stop listening to the people that love him for non-football reasons. It’s great that he’s an awesome guy, but that’s not what NFL players get paid for. Problem is all that love is blowing smoke up his rear end, they keep telling him he’s awesome on the field too, and he just isn’t. Not as QB. He’d make a great RB with gadget plays though. But first he has to stop listening to the people that love him.


36 posted on 01/11/2013 8:50:34 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: Mouton

“How many blackouts did the Jags have last year? Answer ZERO”

How many seats were covered to avoid a blackout? Answer NOT ZERO.

“The Jags play in a larger venue than most teams.”

Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_stadiums


37 posted on 01/11/2013 8:54:33 AM PST by EEGator
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To: discostu

The problem with you is that you’ve had so much of your own kool-aid that you’ve begun to believe yourself.


38 posted on 01/11/2013 8:56:04 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BenLurkin

He’d do even worse in the CFL. With only 3 downs it’s much more of a passing league than the NFL.


39 posted on 01/11/2013 8:56:55 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: PGR88

No, the problem with Tebow is his mechanics are so obviously bad it is hard to take a chance on him. When you look at film you can truly see that Tim just doesn’t have the fundamentals to make it worth taking a risk. Add to that the publicity/controversy Tebow would bring and there is a good chance he is not even playing in the NFL at all next year.

Tebow is a hard worker and has a great attitude, but he doesn’t have the skillset for the position he wants to play. If he is willing to avoid the spotlight and maybe take a tight end/3rd string QB type slot he might be a real asset to some team - but definitely not as a starting QB.


40 posted on 01/11/2013 8:59:20 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: editor-surveyor

There’s no problem with me. I’m fact based. Your problem is you think just because he’s an awesome guy he should be an NFL QB. Meanwhile his stats and tape say no. Just like this GM said. GMs don’t care who has what religious belief, his job is to put a winning team on the field that draws butts to the seats and corporate sponsorship to the luxury boxes. He’s look at the tape and doesn’t see that in Tebow. He’s by no means the first, and probably won’t be the last.


41 posted on 01/11/2013 8:59:42 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The animosity toward Tebow comes straight from the satanic media. The MSM are now running the NFL in all respects. ESPN agitators (announcers) even direct the activities of the coaches and game officials during the games from their microphones.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 9:01:46 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: xzins

A lot of the anti-Tebow people are also anti-Palin, just coincidence I suppose.

Tebow thread, Palin thread, there are some similarities.


43 posted on 01/11/2013 9:05:31 AM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: xzins

Being successful in college doesn’t mean much once you start getting paid. Your employer wants you to be successful for them.

A lot played into an 8-8 Broncos getting to the playoffs last year. Not the least of which being the defense shaving 15 points off their average allowed, and playing in a division that could be won at 8-8.

He’s gotten chances. He’ll probably get one more. But apparently not in Jax. There’s still a few teams out there desperate enough for any hint of success they might give him a shot. KC, Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland. And maybe he’ll improve.


44 posted on 01/11/2013 9:06:39 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: Longbow1969; SoFloFreeper; Resettozero
I believe you missed this part of my post:

Moreover, he is totally unique in my memory in this regard:

He led what was a losing team to the playoffs, won his first playoff game, and then spent the following year totally unused.

In my mind, it’s impossible to say that Tebow is not an NFL caliber quarterback because the one time he had a chance to play, he succeeded all the way to the 2nd round of the post-season.

That is not true of Andy Dalton, RGBIII, and Andy Luck. It’s not true of Tony Romo.

He's unique, longbow, in that he HAS SUCCEEDED as an NFL quarterback, and THEN he was no longer permitted to participate.

45 posted on 01/11/2013 9:07:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: discostu

Wow, the flavor of the kool-aid even comes through your posts: Sour Grapefruit.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 9:10:15 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Those who say all the negative press is about Tebow's skills need to ask themselves why they and ESPN aren't applying similar scrutiny to every other rookie QB in the NFL.

Another good question is why they feel the need to chime in with their own criticism (in their professional opinion) every time his name comes up.

47 posted on 01/11/2013 9:11:03 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PGR88

He won one playoff game, and it was his second season.


48 posted on 01/11/2013 9:13:00 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: xzins

>> “He’s unique, longbow, in that he HAS SUCCEEDED as an NFL quarterback, and THEN he was no longer permitted to participate.” <<

.
As virtually demanded by the Mediots.


49 posted on 01/11/2013 9:13:00 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Longbow1969

Ah yes.... “MECHANICS.”

Never heard the word before Tebow, now I hear it all the time.


50 posted on 01/11/2013 9:13:32 AM PST by PGR88
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