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Revolutionary Language
The New York Times ^ | January 11, 2013 | Charles M. Blow

Posted on 01/12/2013 12:37:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Listen closely.

That sound you hear is the sound of a cultural paranoia by people who have lost their grip on the reins of power, and on reality, and who fear the worst is coming.

And they are preparing for it, whatever it may be — a war, a revolution, an apocalypse.

These extremists make sensible, reasonable gun control hard to discuss, let alone achieve in this country, because they skew the conversations away from common-sense solutions on which both rational gun owners and non-gun owners can agree.

These people, a vocal minority, have extreme fears — gun confiscation, widespread civil instability, a tyrannical government — from which they are preparing to defend themselves with arsenals of weapons and stockpiles of ammunition.

If you pay attention to the right-wing’s rhetoric, you can hear a string of code words that feed the fears of these people and paralyze progress.

A collection of conservative groups have declared Jan. 19, during the weekend celebrating President Obama’s inauguration and Martin Luther King’s Birthday, as Gun Appreciation Day....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Connecticut; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; barfalertplease; charlesblow; cw2; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; gunregistration; newyork; newyorkslimes; obama; partisanmediashills; sandyhookpolitics; secondamendment
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If his name isn't "truth in advertising" what is?
1 posted on 01/12/2013 12:38:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

blow had nothing to offer an America we once knew. that “minority” is pretty damn big, pig blow.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 12:42:32 PM PST by BamaAndy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Blow,

If you want to change the gun law then amend the Constitution.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 12:42:57 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Chucky blow done did too much blow, ya know?


4 posted on 01/12/2013 12:44:36 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Revolutionary language.

Benjamin Franklin, Testimony Against the Stamp Act (1766)

Q. Do you think the people of America would submit to pay the stamp duty, if it was moderated?

A. No, never, unless compelled by force of arms. . . .

5 posted on 01/12/2013 12:47:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Revolutionary language” is something that liberals use all the time, like talking about circumventing the Constitution with Executive Orders, or attempting to re-interpret the meaning of the words in the document. And it’s not as if the Left doesn’t use “code words” themselves.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 12:47:43 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s there to discuss when it’s plainly written in the Constitution?


7 posted on 01/12/2013 12:48:02 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t know the NY Times were still in busniess.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 12:48:02 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...because they skew the conversations away from common-sense solutions on which both rational gun owners and non-gun owners can agree.”

Right there, Blow, you clown, you grab the “high” ground thus painting your opposites as NOT rational and NOT posessed of common sense. This is not intelligent, diplomatic or even useful. Go to Hell, son, your silly article is transparently political and self serving.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 12:48:47 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

it ain’t a “minority,” genius


10 posted on 01/12/2013 12:48:59 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well "Blow", since you want to babble about code words.

How about being honest for once in your urban metro or homosexual life about what you really mean by "sensible, reasonable gun control"?

You will not do it, will you? Maybe babble politely about magazine capacity, military features.

Banning private ownership is not something you liberals have the guts to say, though it truly is what you mean when all is said and done. Shove your code words, though that is probably just kinky fun to you.

11 posted on 01/12/2013 12:49:18 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Guess.

One on the right or one on the left?


12 posted on 01/12/2013 12:50:36 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Blow blows! Note his use of his side’s “revolutionary language”. “These people” - how does he like the reference to his ethnic group as “these people”. What about “so-called patriot groups”. NYT, whadya espect?!


13 posted on 01/12/2013 12:52:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It never occurs to them that the very reason for the revolutionary talk and preparations, is that THEY are talking and ACTING like totalitarians.

If President Eisenhower or President Grant, or President Jefferson made a case for some gun law, i would listen to his position. First, i would know he would listen to mine sincerely in return. Also because i would know his goal would not be to establish a socialist dictatorship, that was one cog in a world government of, by, and for the elite.

Quit acting like a F-ing power mad A-hole, run our finances like a household would, and see if the prepping and revolutionary talk doesnt fade away.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 12:53:42 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t this idiot say the exact same thing in Germany back in 1936?


15 posted on 01/12/2013 12:53:51 PM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Better left for puppy training mats or at the bottom of a bird cage.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 12:54:43 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart, Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Blow swallows... feh
17 posted on 01/12/2013 12:59:42 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Won't click on the NYTimes, but we see right out of the gate Blow is talking about “code words”. “Code words” in Liberal-speak is code for racism.

What's the law here? Liberals can't speak or write more than one paragraph before those who disagree with them are called racists. It's similar to the Nazi rule.

But again, in Liberal land everybody is crazy, but them of course. Anyone who disagrees with them is crazy... and racist.

Let's discuss abridging the First Amendment. Say, no one who make a living spreading propaganda for Democrats can be allowed to write any more than 2,000 words.

Two thousand words!

Who needs to write more than 2,000 words?? Anybody who feels they need to write more than that must register with the government and get permission to write any more.

Now, why can't Liberals compromise on this? I'm willing to go to 3,000 words, why can't they meet me in the middle at 2,500 words. Isn't that reasonable?

No, the Left are simply crazy, irrational and unwilling to compromise here. And they're probably racists too. What's else is wrong with them? Why can't they be reasonable on this matter of abridging their First Amendment. It's for the good of everybody, especially the children.

See how this works, Mr. Blow?

18 posted on 01/12/2013 1:01:09 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: cripplecreek

Many of the comments are worse than the column, viz:

I don’t understand how the country I think I live in is so different than the country my fellow citizens who believe in unlimited gun rights live in. Despite living in NYC, a place that many not living here think is some sort of place boiling over with crime, I do not live in constant fear. I have never once thought that I’d be safer if I had a gun.

I don’t understand why anyone would want to live in a place where they are in such constant fear that they think they need to be armed.

I don’t understand why people who believe that unfettered access to any kind of firearm will make for a better, safer country don’t ask themselves why crime rates are so much lower in countries without guns.

I don’t understand why so many armed people think that in a circumstance in which they are being threatened by someone else with or without a gun would be one where they would have time to react, draw their weapon, aim accurately and shoot their assailant and not put innocent bystanders at risk.

I don’t understand why so many of my fellow Americans have a fear that President Obama is part of a of cabal that has some sort of sinister plans for the country.

I don’t understand why so many people in this country appear to be living lives centered on fear.

I don’t believe that “an armed society is a polite society”, I believe it is a sick society.

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People who are fearful and paranoid are the exact people I do not want to have firearms. I want potential gun owners to be asked, “Why do you want a gun.?” If the answer is, “To protect my family,” the next question should be, “From whom?” “Why do you think you need an assault weapon?” Please provide five specific reasons.

If the person cannot provide sane, reasoned, rational answers they cannot get a gun. If not, they will receive a piece of paper telling them where to enlist in the military or how to become a police officer, These are the people who have legitimate reason to carry lethal weapons.

*******

Some ago I read “The Turner Diaries,” Timothy McVeigh’s blueprint for Oklahoma City and what he hoped would follow. It was horrifying. Mr. Blow’s subjects seem like they’ve been reading it too. These so-called “patriots” are potential murderers, fully prepared in their own imaginations to destroy the United States for the sake of their own fantasies. Their numbers are small and their ignorance of what is best in American history is complete, but that does not mean they are not able to cause huge damage.

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Here in Texas we are all too familiar with the kind of paranoid, delusional rhetoric that Mr. Blow describes. After all, this is the state that elected a governor who kinda-sorta supports secession as well as the single most ignorant member of congress - Louie “Terror Babies” Gohmert.

Regrettably, however, they should not be laughed at. They are sick, dangerous and violent people. What they are engaging in is rank intimidation. They are openly threatening the lives of public officials, representative government and our free institutions. They are not patriots bravely protecting their sacred freedoms from tyranny. They are a bevy of fascists, Theocrats and home-grown terrorists.

The first amendment does not entitle one to incite riots and publicly advocate violent insurrection and the killing of public officials. Congress should investigate the unAmerican activities of groups like Gun Owners of America and the American Family Association. Men like Bryan Fisher and Larry Pratt are a real and present threat to our American way of life. They should be prosecuted for the violence they are inciting.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 1:02:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
that sound you hear is the sound of a cultural paranoia by people who have lost their grip on the reins of power, and on reality, and who fear the worst is coming.

I do fear the worst is coming.

You know, the way people who disagree are able to coexist and share power is that they have a contract with one another. You may not like everything I'm going to do when I'm in power, but there is a limit to what I am able and willing to do because I have committed myself to that contract.

And though I don't trust you, and I'm not going to like what you do when you have power, I can live with it for the same reason, there is a limit to what you will do with your power because you have committed to that same contract.

But once that contract is broken, I can no longer trust you to have power over me.

We have a one-way ratchet, because our opponents are not bound by the constitution and will do what they will. We still are bound by it, which makes it impossible to reverse the damage they do even when we do manage a return to power.

If we are not all committed to constitutional rule of law, we don't have a constitution and we are no longer in a state of law. By definition, if you are not in a state of law, you are in a revolution whether it is declared or not, whether it is violent or not. The revolutionaries are in power and we are looking for a non-violent way to remove them. Its not going to be easy when they control the media meaning they control the conversation, and they control the schools meaning they get unfettered access to your own kids.

They seized the key strategic ground early, and now getting ahead of the curve is increasingly tenuous. Every day we wait to take back the strategic ground it becomes that much more unlikely we ever will. We have work to do.

20 posted on 01/12/2013 1:02:28 PM PST by marron
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To: Revolting cat!
Blow blows! Note his use of his side’s “revolutionary language”. “These people” - how does he like the reference to his ethnic group as “these people”. What about “so-called patriot groups”. NYT, whadya espect?!

Perhaps Blow should have called it "counter-revolutionary" language. Or even common sense, patriotic, pro American.

Sorry Blow, when the "system" that Obama and his minions have worked so hard to destroy actually fails, you are not going to be happy.

21 posted on 01/12/2013 1:02:41 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“These people, a vocal minority, have extreme fears — gun confiscation, widespread civil instability, a tyrannical government — from which they are preparing to defend themselves with arsenals of weapons and stockpiles of ammunition.”

Finally, something correct printed in the NY Slimes. Incomplete, though. We also have food, water, fuel, medical supplies, and like-minded friends and neighbors.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 1:09:22 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Please pass these photomemes along to your more liberal friends and family. Most Americans today are "visual learners," and just don't read.

Maybe some history in pictures will help them to understand.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 1:13:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Blow doesn’t get it. Revolutionary language is coming from the fact we live in revolutionary times. We are two nations, and ever more people on the right side of the political spectrum are finally starting to admit it to themselves. People on the left will begin waking up to the new reality eventually. It is not losing one’s grip on reality to admit you would prefer to live in a nation without leftists and without intrusive, overbearing, kleptocratic government. Open psychological separation is merely the beginning of much deeper change. The grasping Left can engage in all the ad hominem they want; we aren’t listening anymore. Eventually they will be forced to fend for themselves, and we know how that will work out. They know it, too. That is what drives their desperate narrative.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 1:13:39 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Blow’s baloney is a “dog whistle” for Communists and their black slave lackeys everywhere in America...


25 posted on 01/12/2013 1:14:11 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the comments: “People who are fearful and paranoid are the exact people I do not want to have firearms. I want potential gun owners to be asked, “Why do you want a gun.?” If the answer is, “To protect my family,” the next question should be, “From whom?” “Why do you think you need an assault weapon?” Please provide five specific reasons.
If the person cannot provide sane, reasoned, rational answers they cannot get a gun. If not, they will receive a piece of paper telling them where to enlist in the military or how to become a police officer, These are the people who have legitimate reason to carry lethal weapons.”

OMG...the ignorance is astounding. Who gets to ‘interpret’ the answers? If the person can’t articulate acceptable answers they are directed to join the military or law enforcement?

Really? This is exactly why we dare not let the libtards win.


26 posted on 01/12/2013 1:16:25 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: PubliusMM

In the Army, your personal weapon and ammunition is generally kept in a secure arms room and is available to you only as allowed by those in authority above you. I’m sure the other four services run things in a similar fashion unless one is in an actual war zone.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 1:22:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s wrong. It has nothing to do with “revolution”, it has everything to do with “restoration” and “preservation”.

Restoring our Constitution and Preserving everything that made this Country great to begin with.

Do not stand in our way or you will bleed for it.


28 posted on 01/12/2013 1:25:24 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Trod Upon

There is a good reason why the Minute Man is a national symbol.

The 2nd Amendment should be known as the Minute Man Amendment. It is a great irony that one of the most liberal states , Vermont, has in its constitution that ever able-bodied man has a duty to bear arms.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 1:26:14 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: PubliusMM
If the person cannot provide sane, reasoned, rational answers they cannot get a gun. If not, they will receive a piece of paper telling them where to enlist in the military or how to become a police officer, These are the people who have legitimate reason to carry lethal weapons.

See how that works? And we're the crazy ones, huh?

Liberals will write all the rules.

And only their interpretation of responses to their rules is legitimate.

Failure to meet their rules, and their own capricious interpretation will result in recrimination!

But yeah, we have ABSOLUTELY nothing to fear by having Blow and his comrades take our guns - nothing at all.

Oh, my gosh, he unknowingly just made the very point about the true wisdom of the 2nd Amendment!

30 posted on 01/12/2013 1:29:45 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Dead Corpse
The right of revolution is based on a Resistance to tyranny. The colonial Patriots originally went against the king for having deprived them of their rights as Englishmen, just as the Stuarts had. They then claimed their independence to effect a change of government which would guard those rights and their natural rights.
31 posted on 01/12/2013 1:32:36 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If my neighbor is not in his right mind, and is always playing with matches and causing fires, why is it so amazing that i begin to keep a fire extinguisher and a garden hose handy?


32 posted on 01/12/2013 1:34:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: RobbyS

We’re in a Revolution right now. Our Country is being taken over from within by Socialists bent on destroying everything.

Our fight will be to restore what is being lost and to put safeguards in place to keep it from happening again...


33 posted on 01/12/2013 1:38:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Blow this, Chuckie

             

The spirit lives on . . . Fear it

34 posted on 01/12/2013 1:47:02 PM PST by tomkat (HELL NO)
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To: BamaAndy

“the sound of a cultural paranoia by people who have lost their grip on the reins of power, and on reality, and who fear the worst is coming” Gee . . . so much to say.

This guy’s delusional. When did we ever have the so-called “reins of power?” Our last chance to have a fair shacke was the summer of 1863. From there it started going downhill fast.

Oldplayer


35 posted on 01/12/2013 1:48:22 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: marron

Excellent post !


36 posted on 01/12/2013 1:50:20 PM PST by tomkat (HELL NO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...

Stick to your guns--no matter what!

by Matt Bracken

If they come to take away your guns by force, they have declared war on the Constitution, and on you. At that point, war is joined, just as it was during another famous gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775.

If a firearm was legal in 2012, under the 2nd Amendment it’s still legal in 2013 and it will be legal forever, no matter what so-called "executive orders" are handed down or new "laws" are passed by a panicking Congress. Those who say otherwise are liars and traitors and oath breakers and domestic enemies.

Every survivor of every genocide says the same thing: when they come to take your guns, shoot them! Make them take them, and their system of repression will be overwhelmed, because they don’t have millions of jack-booted thugs ready to do armed battles all over the country.

If you give up your arms, you are placing your entire trust in the permanent future benevolence of the U.S. government. This trust is invariably fatal: ask the American Indians about those treaties that were guaranteed forever.

History is clear, with numerous examples, of the danger of gun registration and gun control. The German gun registration laws were enacted duuring the 1920s Weimar Republic, years before Hitler came to power. German gun registration was mandated in the name of "public safety." Note that phrase well. I’m sure today's liberal utopians would agree that they were "common sense" and "reasonable" gun control laws. Don't we all want "public safety?"

Then Hitler rose to power, and used the gun registration lists to first disarm the Jews, and then to force them into starving, overcrowded ghettos, and finally into mass graves and gas chambers. The Nazi genocide of the Jews was enabled by those "common sense" German gun registration lists.

Millions of Polish Jews were rounded up by German military police battallions. The German military police only needed a 1-10 ratio to their victims. A mere 100 German military police, (4-Fs in their forties, bottom of the barrel conscripts, not rabid SS), would round up and murder a town of a thousand Jews over the course of one day.

The Germans would force them to sit tightly packed together on town plazas or sporting fields under the watch of only a handful of armed guards. The Germans would then march groups of twenty or thirty at a time at gunpoint into the woods for point-blank executions. A 1-10 ratio means the military police were not worried at all about meeting resistance. The victims were all previously disarmed.

During the Armenian Genocide from 1915-23, two million Christian Turks were exterminated by being marched at gun point into burning deserts with no food or water. The Turkish gun registration laws were enacted in 1911, in the name of "public safety." The genocide began a few years later, after the Armenians' firearms were confiscated.

Entire divisions of Russian troops hiked home from WW1 in 1917/18, carrying their rifles and swords and other sidearms. Very early on, Lenin decreed that "public safety" required they all be turned in, under penalty of death. And so the Russian war veterans were disarmed—but not the Communist Party members. Then came the Soviet purges, the Great Terror, the Gulags, and tens of millions of disarmed Russians were murdered.

I’m sorry, but I do NOT trust that our federal government won’t turn as brutally tyrannical as the old USSR at some point in the future, perhaps after an economic crash or other major crisis. The Obama regime already perceives that we "Bitter Clingers" are "reactionaries" who are not only standing in the way of social progress, we are actively blocking it.

That makes us pure Evil, since their plan for a socialist utopia is pure Good. And that means they will ultimately come to feel totally justified in seeking a "final solution to the Bitter Clinger problem," in the same way that the Turks, Soviets and Nazis did. Can anyone guarantee Americans that tyranny will never visit our shores?

If the socialists in power are scapegoating us as national villains now, what will they do when they have no reason to fear us whatsoever? Did the Turks, Soviets or Nazis treat their despised minorities better, or worse, after disarming them? Think!

And once a despot’s enemies (that’s us) are disarmed and helpless...the temptation grows to simply do away with them. Obama mentor and ghost-autobiographer, the Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, stated that they would need to murder ten percent of the American population to achieve their socialist nirvana. Thirty million bitter clingers. Guess who that is?

Don't relearn this bitter lesson the hard way. Learn from history's many examples. As it was for the Turkish Armenians, German Jews, Russian Kulaks, Chinese, Ugandans, Guatemalens, Cambodians, Cubans, Rwandans, and on and on, history’s lesson is crystal clear:

Stick to your guns--no matter what!

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

~~Alexander Solzhenitsyn

37 posted on 01/12/2013 1:51:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...

Stick to your guns--no matter what!

by Matt Bracken

If they come to take away your guns by force, they have declared war on the Constitution, and on you. At that point, war is joined, just as it was during another famous gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775.

If a firearm was legal in 2012, under the 2nd Amendment it’s still legal in 2013 and it will be legal forever, no matter what so-called "executive orders" are handed down or new "laws" are passed by a panicking Congress. Those who say otherwise are liars and traitors and oath breakers and domestic enemies.

Every survivor of every genocide says the same thing: when they come to take your guns, shoot them! Make them take them, and their system of repression will be overwhelmed, because they don’t have millions of jack-booted thugs ready to do armed battles all over the country.

If you give up your arms, you are placing your entire trust in the permanent future benevolence of the U.S. government. This trust is invariably fatal: ask the American Indians about those treaties that were guaranteed forever.

History is clear, with numerous examples, of the danger of gun registration and gun control. The German gun registration laws were enacted duuring the 1920s Weimar Republic, years before Hitler came to power. German gun registration was mandated in the name of "public safety." Note that phrase well. I’m sure today's liberal utopians would agree that they were "common sense" and "reasonable" gun control laws. Don't we all want "public safety?"

Then Hitler rose to power, and used the gun registration lists to first disarm the Jews, and then to force them into starving, overcrowded ghettos, and finally into mass graves and gas chambers. The Nazi genocide of the Jews was enabled by those "common sense" German gun registration lists.

Millions of Polish Jews were rounded up by German military police battallions. The German military police only needed a 1-10 ratio to their victims. A mere 100 German military police, (4-Fs in their forties, bottom of the barrel conscripts, not rabid SS), would round up and murder a town of a thousand Jews over the course of one day.

The Germans would force them to sit tightly packed together on town plazas or sporting fields under the watch of only a handful of armed guards. The Germans would then march groups of twenty or thirty at a time at gunpoint into the woods for point-blank executions. A 1-10 ratio means the military police were not worried at all about meeting resistance. The victims were all previously disarmed.

During the Armenian Genocide from 1915-23, two million Christian Turks were exterminated by being marched at gun point into burning deserts with no food or water. The Turkish gun registration laws were enacted in 1911, in the name of "public safety." The genocide began a few years later, after the Armenians' firearms were confiscated.

Entire divisions of Russian troops hiked home from WW1 in 1917/18, carrying their rifles and swords and other sidearms. Very early on, Lenin decreed that "public safety" required they all be turned in, under penalty of death. And so the Russian war veterans were disarmed—but not the Communist Party members. Then came the Soviet purges, the Great Terror, the Gulags, and tens of millions of disarmed Russians were murdered.

I’m sorry, but I do NOT trust that our federal government won’t turn as brutally tyrannical as the old USSR at some point in the future, perhaps after an economic crash or other major crisis. The Obama regime already perceives that we "Bitter Clingers" are "reactionaries" who are not only standing in the way of social progress, we are actively blocking it.

That makes us pure Evil, since their plan for a socialist utopia is pure Good. And that means they will ultimately come to feel totally justified in seeking a "final solution to the Bitter Clinger problem," in the same way that the Turks, Soviets and Nazis did. Can anyone guarantee Americans that tyranny will never visit our shores?

If the socialists in power are scapegoating us as national villains now, what will they do when they have no reason to fear us whatsoever? Did the Turks, Soviets or Nazis treat their despised minorities better, or worse, after disarming them? Think!

And once a despot’s enemies (that’s us) are disarmed and helpless...the temptation grows to simply do away with them. Obama mentor and ghost-autobiographer, the Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, stated that they would need to murder ten percent of the American population to achieve their socialist nirvana. Thirty million bitter clingers. Guess who that is?

Don't relearn this bitter lesson the hard way. Learn from history's many examples. As it was for the Turkish Armenians, German Jews, Russian Kulaks, Chinese, Ugandans, Guatemalens, Cambodians, Cubans, Rwandans, and on and on, history’s lesson is crystal clear:

Stick to your guns--no matter what!

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

~~Alexander Solzhenitsyn

38 posted on 01/12/2013 1:52:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't know..I'm confused..I'm not sure if he was Mr. Blow Or Mr. SUCK...And was he a columnist or a communist.??? Whatever....
39 posted on 01/12/2013 1:54:55 PM PST by unread (Eagles don't eat flys...)
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To: jeffc
“Revolutionary language” is something that liberals use all the time, like talking about circumventing the Constitution with Executive Orders, or attempting to re-interpret the meaning of the words in the document. And it’s not as if the Left doesn’t use “code words” themselves.


40 posted on 01/12/2013 1:56:43 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Travis McGee
When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson
41 posted on 01/12/2013 1:59:38 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the New York Times now thinks the truth is actually some code word. Hey progressive idiots. They are not code words. They are the factual truth. We have numerous examples from history of normal governments morphing because of one tyrannical individual that gets control of the top executive position (Chavez, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Morsi, etc.). In each of these cases a somewhat benign government was quickly transformed into a tyrannical government oppressing its people. And guess what is usually the very first thing that happened in these countries ? The local MSM ignored the tyrannical movement and actually encouraged the tyrannical movement.


42 posted on 01/12/2013 2:00:48 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Travis McGee
Coming soon Came to a country near you: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18288430
43 posted on 01/12/2013 2:00:48 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Travis McGee

People should ask thenselves “What is the only conceivable use for a registry of guns” if it is not to locate them for subsequent confiscation?


44 posted on 01/12/2013 2:05:00 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Blacks and Hispanics commit more than 75% of the gun murders in America.

On a per capita basis, white people in Switzerland actually commit more gun murders than white Americans.

45 posted on 01/12/2013 2:05:37 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Travis McGee

Yep...


46 posted on 01/12/2013 2:07:13 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Travis McGee; All

We all should inundate Peirs Morgan’s mailbox with these images!

Off to see if I can find it.


47 posted on 01/12/2013 2:23:06 PM PST by jacquej
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It has become common place in my county for agency meetings to include armed fish and game wardens around the walls. Fifth generation ranchers Doug and Gail Jenner can speak to the armed federal agent and state game warden complete with flack jacket who visited their home and read them their rights. Purpose? They were investigating a complaint that their irrigation had resulted in some dead endangered coho salmon.

Or three generations of Carver women ranchers who were visited by two armed fish and game wardens to coerce them into signing up for an “incidental take” permit for salmon which would have signed away their water rights.

Armed citizens are not as easily intimidated as those who have been stripped of their means to defend their families and their homes from a tyrannical bureaucracy.

The Democrats, the Obama Administration and the Brown Administration have gone too far in forcing policies and regulations down our gullets without our consent. Half of the country does not agree with the vision of the other half. That does not give the winning half the license to use force to destroy the lifestyle, values, families, communities and property of the other on a national or statewide scale. Nor does it give them license to introduce vicious predators into their communities on one hand, while taking away their rights and abilities to defend themselves on the other.


48 posted on 01/12/2013 2:25:28 PM PST by marsh2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As the ghouls swoop in on Blow’s infamatory rhetoric promoted by The New York Times with directionless rebuttal or meaningless responses laughed at by its staffers .

Not one word will be there about Blow’s mindless contribution to the solution which ignores the gangland murders and shootings using illegaly obtained mostly handguns and revolvers not “assault” weapons .

Blow certainly can’t critique a system created by his ilk and ignored by his publication that when once caught, perps get set free with lenient sentencing from “liberal” judges or sob sister plea bargain prosecution promoted by The New York Times. There’s certainly no criticism of “no snitch” mentality partcularly in areas where these shootings are rampant.

What do you expect an honest look at the problem from The New York Times ? They’re incapable that’s why they’re going broke...Printing tripe from people like C.M.Blow


49 posted on 01/12/2013 2:34:43 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province let a professor rule it." Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: Travis McGee

You’re just on fire of late.

That Solzhenitsyn quote has been on my FR profile page for several years.

Let’s throw a link to the democide leaderboard on the thread:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


50 posted on 01/12/2013 2:39:32 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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