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To: kiryandil

What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”.
I kid you not.
“Firearms” in NY are whatever is defined as regulated and restricted or banned, to wit handguns, assault weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and machineguns.

So: no, they didn’t. Welcome to legalese - words don’t mean what you think they do.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:20 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: ctdonath2
What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”.

OK, so anyone in New York who owns a firearm (not a rifle or a shotgun) is now a criminal.

22 posted on 01/15/2013 8:29:11 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: ctdonath2
What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”. I kid you not...

What are normal rifles and shotguns called instead? Long arms? Or simply rifles and shotguns?

52 posted on 01/15/2013 8:50:44 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ctdonath2
“Firearms” in NY are whatever is defined as regulated and restricted or banned, to wit handguns, assault weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and machineguns.

And not including antique firearms.

56 posted on 01/15/2013 8:53:05 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: ctdonath2

How is the average New York cop going to interpret this law?
Will they all be sat down and explained all the intricacies of the law?


80 posted on 01/15/2013 9:16:26 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: ctdonath2

But wouldn’t it be capitalized if it were a defined term?


147 posted on 01/16/2013 4:58:16 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: ctdonath2

The definition of “firearms” by New York State Law

Article 265 - New York State Penal Law states:

3. “Firearm” means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d)any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e) an assault weapon. For the purpose of this subdivision the length of the
barrel on a shotgun or rifle shall be determined by measuring the distance between the muzzle and the face of the bolt, breech, or breechlock when closed and when the shotgun or rifle is cocked; the overall length of a weapon made from a shotgun or rifle is the distance
between the extreme ends of the weapon measured along a line parallel to the center line of the bore. Firearm does not include an antique firearm.


179 posted on 01/16/2013 7:36:14 AM PST by ASU_94
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To: ctdonath2
What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”. I kid you not. “Firearms” in NY are whatever is defined as regulated and restricted or banned, to wit handguns, assault weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and machineguns. So: no, they didn’t. Welcome to legalese - words don’t mean what you think they do.

Excellent post. In law, such specifically defined words are called "terms of art," and they are used everywhere.

In fact, they are what Roberts exposed in his Obamacare ruling, and what people didn't bother to learn about before they unfairly damned him.

One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

223 posted on 01/16/2013 2:33:32 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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