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TODAY SHOW - NO "ASSAULT WEAPONS" USED IN SANDY HOOK MASSACRE
Today show ^ | 12-15-2012 | NBC

Posted on 01/17/2013 6:38:37 AM PST by AngryCapitalist

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To: AngryCapitalist
While there may be questions left about the actual shooting, I am far more troubled by the incident as a whole.

The whole notion of an assault-weapon enthusiast single mother/divorcee seems implausible. This a fact which only seems to be supported by comments of a gardener and a sister whose demeanor hours after hearing her nephew murdered her sister and 26 others was remarkably self-possessed.

I don't have any trouble believing the shooting occurred, but the incident as a whole, it's timing, very little passes the smell test for me.

Have we ever heard more about the confrontation at the school the day before?

61 posted on 01/17/2013 7:10:25 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: RobertClark
"believe me, I know one when I see it. "

Then why did the cop eject a shotshell from it and why was he cycling the bolt using a bolt handle on the SIDE of the weapon? All AR platforms use a rear charging handle. What was in that trunk was absolutely NOT a rifle and NOT AR-15 Bushmaster. I'll wager a paycheck on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

I believe it may have been a Saiga

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4789155678850769&pid=1.7&w=248&h=54&c=7&rs=1

62 posted on 01/17/2013 7:14:25 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: AngryCapitalist

I get it. Many people don’t. When an event is given the 24/7 treatment on the news, complete with non-stop crawlers and endlessly looping video, it has become a symbol, not an actual event.

The symbol is what counts, and the facts are suppressed so as to support the media’s and the left’s agenda.

With Zimmerman/Trayvon, it was about evil White oppressors murdering innocent poor young black children.

With Newtown, it is about giving 0bama an excuse to push his anti-gun agenda in his second term.


63 posted on 01/17/2013 7:14:45 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: AngryCapitalist

I get it. Many people don’t. When an event is given the 24/7 treatment on the news, complete with non-stop crawlers and endlessly looping video, it has become a symbol, not an actual event.

The symbol is what counts, and the facts are suppressed so as to support the media’s and the left’s agenda.

With Zimmerman/Trayvon, it was about evil White oppressors murdering innocent poor young black children.

With Newtown, it is about giving 0bama an excuse to push his anti-gun agenda in his second term.


64 posted on 01/17/2013 7:15:00 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Reading the link in #54, the Glock she bought was a Glock 20.

I find it hard to understand why a woman would choose one of those. It doesn't make sense.

65 posted on 01/17/2013 7:15:06 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

the video was so dark and fuzzy of the weapon being removed from the trunk, it was impossible to tell if it was a rifle or a shotgun


66 posted on 01/17/2013 7:16:16 AM PST by stickywillie
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To: AppyPappy

I know what I heard. Hope there is a link I cannot find it because without the link no proof.

Wife looked at me said “Now thats really gonna pizz off the liberals cause he left the AR outside”

Then a few hours later the AR was inside beside the body.


67 posted on 01/17/2013 7:16:37 AM PST by Bailee
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To: AngryCapitalist

Every news outlet that lied about this on Day 1 should be called out by an enraged public. The story changed from the fact that the rifle was locked in the murderer’s car to the lie that ALL the shots were fired with the rifle.

Where was a correction by the law enforcement officials of Newtown? Why did they allow the media to lie about this most important fact? What agenda did they have?


68 posted on 01/17/2013 7:16:41 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: AngryCapitalist

What do the people that were actually there say was used?


69 posted on 01/17/2013 7:19:27 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: AngryCapitalist

This is what gets me about these conspiracy theories that get thrown out whenever something like this happens. I expect there to be conflicting stories these days when every news organization is fighting to be the bearers of breaking bad news, but after the dust settles to continue with lies is ridiculous. So many people would have had to be in on it that only and idiot or someone with such a personal agenda could believe that they could cover it up so blatantly and expect everyone to be in on the deception.

Dozens of people walked through that school right after the shooting, brass casing must have been laying everywhere. These are trained LEOs, do people not expect them to take a second and survey the scene, to recognize the difference between handgun and rifle casing strewn about?

No one, not even the President, could force all the professionals that were there that day to agree on a false story, it just isn’t going to happen. These are honorable, professional men and women, to expect them all to be part of a huge lie like this is asinine at best.


70 posted on 01/17/2013 7:19:30 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Graybeard58

The simple facts may never be known. No, I do not think it was a “conspiracy”, just incompetence on a large scale.

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Dittoes. Except ever since Obama occupied the White Hut, these “conspiracies” and “incompetence” have become commonplace and ordinary. Take the birth certificate for instance. Very brilliant how Obama can take forgeries and lies and turn them around to make himself look like the smart guy and birthers are ignorant.

Then there was the OBL killing. Only Obama bin Lying could (with the help of the media) screw up what should have been a great day for the USA. Instead we were lied to and deceived and we may never know the truth of what happened to Osama.

Benghazi is another Obama lie in progress.

And now - Sandy Hook. Crisis actors? Google reports of Sandy Hook aid 3 days before the shootings? Sure. All nuts. No one but a kooky conspiracy theorist would believe this junk, right?

Well look. These off the wall theories are no harder to swallow than the lies and deceit Obama and the media are feeding us today.

Don’t believe me? Then re-visit vido of Dear Leader yesterday surrounded by little children as he announced his 23 plans.


71 posted on 01/17/2013 7:19:52 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Tupelo

“The two things I distrust most in this country are the Federal Government and the News Industry”.........look out for the condescending *ssholes around here, too, if you question anything about news reports.


72 posted on 01/17/2013 7:20:21 AM PST by stickywillie
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To: RobertClark; Boogieman; AppyPappy
That is not the footage of LE recovering a long gun from the vehicle. That's video of Pete Williams speculating.

I recall seeing such footage a month ago and it was not a Bushmaster .223. It was more like a shotgun.

Here is the video I saw. Cartridges are quite large. Looks like a semi-auto shotgun.

73 posted on 01/17/2013 7:20:51 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: FunkyZero

They make side charging handles for ARs.


74 posted on 01/17/2013 7:26:16 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Abathar

Conspiracy mogers are a DNA sequence away from the looniest lefties. That also explains something about Ron Paul BTW.


75 posted on 01/17/2013 7:28:29 AM PST by bkepley
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To: AngryCapitalist

Have officials determined Lanza’s motive for the killings.


76 posted on 01/17/2013 7:29:46 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

It isn’t hard to notice that there is rarely any info about what actually happened at Sandy Hook that day since the initial reports.

Nothing has been explained really. Not even motivation.

I do tend to believe the info in the 1st report about what guns were used because the 1st responders could look and see what guns Lanza had with him. They would have been laying with his body.

The 1st news you get hasn’t been tainted by others that change the narrative or by people who get fuzzy memories.

The only reports I don’t think can be accurate at first, are motivation and the number of deaths because they have no way to be know how many are dead or may still be clinging to life.


77 posted on 01/17/2013 7:30:10 AM PST by dforest
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To: RobertClark

Here’s the video. Pay particular attention around the 0:06 mark, where the camera zooms in to show them ejecting a shotgun shell from the “Bushmaster” :)


78 posted on 01/17/2013 7:31:44 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: dforest

>>The 1st news you get hasn’t been tainted by others that change the narrative or by people who get fuzzy memories.<<

ding! ding! ding! We have a winner!


79 posted on 01/17/2013 7:32:21 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: RobertClark
There is raw video footage of the police recovering the 223 Bushmaster from the trunk of a car in the parking lot.

The only video I've been able to view regarding what was pulled out of a trunk looked to be a semi-auto shotgun. The slide to rack a shell was on the right hand side, in front/above the ejection port, where an AR has a charging handle at the rear of the upper, over the buttstock. An officer racked the slide (not forend, so it wasn't a pump shotgun), and something the size of a shotgun shell was ejected. There's no way that video I viewed (linked here on FR within days of the shooting) showed an AR.

I can't find that original link, but here's a link to another article. It's very clear in the video that the gun pulled out of the trunk is not a AR.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340113

80 posted on 01/17/2013 7:32:28 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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