[paratrooper82]

“The only American example we have of what happens when the federal government declares war on its citizens is the Civil War when the army broke in two and we had a war.”

Have you forgotten WACO? After all, it was for the children!

[sergeantdave]

“Have you forgotten WACO?”

Nope. I see Waco as a giant cluster flock by incompetent and gutless worms who were defeated and lost the initial battle. Most people forget that the ATF surrendered to the women and children guarding the church. The ATF tough guys walked away with their hands in the air 15 minutes into the firefight.

Because the ATF fat slobs had to call in tanks, snipers and criminals with poison gas to defeat women and children, some people are equating that with how tough the ATF is.

For me, Waco showed that the ATF is a clown posse that knows squat about combat. It also tells me that the ATF is nothing more than a neo-gestapo terrorist organization with a mission to terrorize and murder women and children.