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Man raises questions after carrying rifle into JC Penney
KSL.com ^ | January 17th, 2013 | y Paul Nelson and Andrew Wittenberg

Posted on 01/18/2013 8:28:55 AM PST by Daffynition

RIVERDALE — Pictures of a man carrying a rifle inside a big box store in Riverdale are raising a lot of eyebrows. The woman who took them tells KSL the man had no business bringing the gun where he did.

It was supposed to be just a regular trip to the JC Penney. Wednesday night, Cindy Yorgason was in line to return something when she saw a man with some pretty heavy fire power.

"He had the assault rifle over his shoulder," Yorgason said. "He had a handgun on the right side of his belt along with at least one additional clip."

She got out her phone after she said "a couple of other customers started to raise their eyes and look at this guy like, ‘Is he crazy?'"

She never felt threatened, but she believes a place like JC Penney is an inappropriate place to bring a weapon.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist; guncontrol; jcpenney; retail; secondamendment
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To: BipolarBob

Must not have been against store policy because I did not see were it said he was arrested.


61 posted on 01/18/2013 9:43:51 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: paul51; knittnmom
If the mere sight of my fire arm scares you or 'offends' you, too bad.

Just had to share a story related to that. Before WI started allowing CC, but shortly after 5 guys got arrested for open-carrying at a restaurant, my parents' neighborhood had their annual neighborhood association picnic. As usual, they had a police officer drop by to talk to everyone and answer questions. the topic of open-carrying came up, and the officer said that if he got a report of someone open-carrying, he'd arrest them, because there were some people who found the sight of a gun offensive.

Well, me and my big mouth, I piped up and said "You know, I've seen some guys walking around with their pants hanging down and their underwear showing, I find that offensive, will you arrest them for it?"

While the officer was stuttering to come up with a reply, mom jumped in (I love you, Mom!) and said "Yeah, and some of these t-shirts with the curse words printed on them, I'm offended by that! Arrest those people too!"

Things started snowballing from there, with people shouting every possible thing that anybody could possibly find offensive. Hair colors, tattoos, halter tops, micro shorts.... you name it, somebody was shouting it! That poor officer could only stand there stuttering, looking like a deer in the headlights.

Sometimes the best way to draw attention to an obsurdity is with silliness.
62 posted on 01/18/2013 9:44:53 AM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: BipolarBob

Why is it “showing off?”

You sound more like my sourpuss, cynical step-father than a man grounded in his roots.

It’s not a matter of arrogance or pride. It’s a matter of exercising a RIGHT. It’s my RIGHT to do this.


63 posted on 01/18/2013 9:45:21 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
"You’re using a LOT of defamatory language to refer to someone exercising his RIGHT to carry a firearm."

That's my First Amendment Right your talking about. You have no 2nd Amendments Right to carry on private property. Don't believe me? Try carrying a rifle slung over your shoulder into a federal building. Try the IRS building for grins and come back and report to me. They may infringe upon you enough to convince you that you might be wrong.

64 posted on 01/18/2013 9:47:12 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Daveinyork
It’s J.C. Penney’s property. If they prohibit guns, it’s their right, as unwise as some of us think that is.
There may be some precedent for this. In the movies, at least.


65 posted on 01/18/2013 9:49:56 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: knife6375
Must not have been against store policy because I did not see were it said he was arrested.
That will be next. All it takes is one to spoil it for everybody else. CCW will be at risk once it takes place. CONGRATULATIONS You just made one more Gun Free Zone. Feel better?
66 posted on 01/18/2013 9:50:28 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

Listen, I’ve come right out in my posts and said you have just as much right to say what you’re saying by way of the 1st as I do to carry by way of the 2nd.

Problem here is that I live in Florida, and open-carry isn’t legal. So yeah, I’m not going to go out carrying openly, but you can bet your bottom dollar that I’ll be carrying concealed. And you know what? There’s an exhaustive list of businesses I will not patronize due to their anti-gun policies. I’ve made it public and spoken openly in my local media about it.

The whole open carry in a Federal building is another canard. Can’t carry in a courthouse either. In Florida, you can’t carry in a lot of places. Guess what? It’s the State’s and the Fed’s rights to pass those laws.

Unless and until the Feds or my State say that no one may carry anywhere at any time, I’m going to exercise my right. If I lived in an open carry state, I would do so. That does not make me a bozo or an “attention seeker.” That makes me a responsible, law-abiding citizen.


67 posted on 01/18/2013 9:53:26 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rightwingcrazy

Your right JCP is private property. If JCP store policy is no firearms why was he not arrested? And if he was arrested I do believe it would have been stated in the article.


68 posted on 01/18/2013 9:53:35 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: rarestia
You sound more like my sourpuss, cynical step-father than a man grounded in his roots.

I probably am like him. You sound like a headstrong son-in-law that won't listen to reason. Your actions will have MORE "No Guns Allowed" signs popping up. More Gun Free Zones because he/you don't want to practice CCW.

69 posted on 01/18/2013 9:53:54 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I really don’t think protection of other citizens even crossed his mind!
Hell maybe he was just trying to thin the line!


70 posted on 01/18/2013 9:55:08 AM PST by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: BipolarBob

And when those signs “pop up”, then I shop elsewhere.


71 posted on 01/18/2013 9:56:58 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: BipolarBob
My step-father doesn't trust ANYONE. He's a hard-nosed, grumpy old bastard. I keep new acquaintances at arm's length until I know from where a person is coming. Once I'm comfortable with them, I'm friendly.

Your actions will have MORE "No Guns Allowed" signs popping up.

I don't believe this, and I challenge you to find any instances of this happening on a large scale. Franchise and corporate businesses, I can understand. My local breakfast nook has a sign on their door that says, "We welcome law-abiding gun owners" on their door. The 80+ year old, 4'11" owner of the place has a S&W .38 revolver on her hip in a very ornate, very well-worn leather holster.

I think more people would carry than you would guess, and no store is going to ban a large portion of their clientele for exercising their right.

72 posted on 01/18/2013 9:59:14 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: BipolarBob

“He’s just provoking a reaction.”

Good. All those who are offended can go F’themselves.


73 posted on 01/18/2013 10:00:15 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: BipolarBob; rarestia
You have no 2nd Amendments Right to carry on private property.

You are absolutely correct, however after that you are not.

Neither the Federal building or the IRS building are private property nor have they ever been. Government building may have their own sets of rules/regs but in no way, shape or form are they private property.

74 posted on 01/18/2013 10:05:55 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: rarestia
The more I hear about your step father, the more I like him.
"Franchise and corporate businesses, I can understand. My local breakfast nook has a sign" Now which business model do you think JCPenny fits (1) large franchise/corporate OR (2)local breakfast nook? I can keep responding to you over this but don't see the point. You're not going to change your opinion and I'm not going to change mine. I like fewer laws and smaller government. Some laws are made because some good but misguided people wish to make jerks out of themselves. I'd like to avoid those laws.
75 posted on 01/18/2013 10:06:01 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Daffynition
Heh. If he was in Wyoming, the only question he'd probably get is: ".223 or .308?"

If lots of people carry, it's no big deal and everyone behaves themselves. It's a concept gun-grabbers just don't get.

76 posted on 01/18/2013 10:06:24 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: BipolarBob
More Gun Free Zones because he/you don't want to practice CCW.

Wrong. They pop up because the store owner is a hoplophobic moron caving in to panicked sheep.

77 posted on 01/18/2013 10:08:02 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: expat2

“Oh, look at that dangerous pistol grip and fore grip, and the scary banana magazine”

Ok, One of my kinda pet peeves, if you will, is someone calling a magazine a clip. I’m trying to get over it but whatever.

But, if you are going to call a 30 rd mag a “banana” then it’s prolly just as well to call it a “banana clip”

Thanks for your time


78 posted on 01/18/2013 10:11:30 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Gabz
Neither the Federal building or the IRS building are private property

I agree but my point was that the 2nd Amendment is not an absolute right to employ anywhere you desire. Some people here seem to overlook that fact and in so doing will incur MORE restrictions than if they would use some common (or uncommon) sense. Why give the other side more ammunition to bring more restrictions and more gun-free zones? CCW will protect you and others and the store from acting on a situation that some people created.

79 posted on 01/18/2013 10:13:08 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

In most states if you carried there it is NOT something the cops can ‘walk you to jail’ for. Ignoring the sign is not a crime. They have to ask you to leave. If the owner asks you to leave AND you refuse then you can be nailed for trespass.

Some states added language to their CCW laws that made it a misdemeanor to ignore the ‘no gun’ sign. In those places you can be hauled off. But everywhere else it is still a free country until the owner asks you to leave.


80 posted on 01/18/2013 10:18:27 AM PST by TalonDJ
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