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A Well Regulated Militia? (a view that you may never have heard before)
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Posted on 01/18/2013 12:14:05 PM PST by RightFighter

Lost in the gun rights debate, much to the detriment of American freedom, is the fact that the Second Amendment is in fact an "AMENDMENT". No "Articles in Amendment" to the Constitution, more commonly referred to as the Bill of Rights, stand alone and each can only be properly understood with reference to what it is that each Article in Amendment amended in the body of the original Constitution. It should not be new knowledge to any American the Constitution was first submitted to Congress on September 17, 1787 WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. After much debate, it was determined that the States would not adopt the Constitution as originally submitted until "further declamatory and restrictive clauses should be added" "in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (the Constitutions) powers". (This quote is from the Preamble to the Amendments, which was adopted along with the Amendments but is mysteriously missing from nearly all modern copies.) The first ten Amendments were not ratified and added to the Constitution until December 15, 1791.

In this Light:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What provisions of the original Constitution is it that the Second Amendment is designed to "amended"?

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AMENDING THE PROVISIONS IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION APPLYING TO THE "MILITIA". The States were not satisfied with the powers granted to the "militia" as defined in the original Constitution and required an amendment to "prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers. "(Again quoting from the Preamble to the Amendments.)

What was it about the original Constitutional provisions concerning the "Militia" that was so offensive to the States?

First understand that the word "militia" was used with more than one meaning at the time of the penning of the Constitution. One popular definition used then was one often quoted today, that the "Militia" was every able bodied man owning a gun. As true as this definition is, it only confuses the meaning of the word "militia" as used in the original Constitution that required the Second Amendment to correct. The only definition of "Militia" that had any meaning to the States demanding Amendments is the definition used in the original Constitution. What offended the States then should offend "People" today:

"Militia" in the original Constitution as amended by the Second Amendment is first found in Article 1, Section 8, clause 15, where Congress is granted the power:

"To provide for the calling forth the MILITIA to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrection and repel Invasions." Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16 further empowers Congress:

"To provide for the organizing, arming, and disciplining, the MILITIA, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;" Any "patriot" out there still want to be called a member of the "MILITIA" as defined by the original Constitution?

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 empowers: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the MILITIA of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;" The only way the States would accept the "MILITIA" as defined in the original Constitution was that the Federal "MILITIA" be "WELL REGULATED". The States realized that "THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE" required that the "MILITIA" as originally created in the Constitution be "WELL REGULATED" by a "restrictive clause." How did the States decide to insure that the Constitutional "MILITIA" be "WELL REGULATED"? By demanding that "restrictive clause two" better know as the "Second Amendment" be added to the original Constitution providing:

"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." The States knew that "PEOPLE" with "ARMS" would "WELL REGULATE" the Federal "MILITIA"!

Now read for the first time with the full brightness of the Light of truth:

"A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

For those still overcome by propaganda:

The Second Amendment declares by implication that if the "MILITIA" is not "WELL REGULATED" by "PEOPLE" keeping and bearing arms, the "MILITIA" becomes a threat to the "SECURITY OF A FREE STATE."

The "MILITIA" has no "RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS" in the Second Amendment, rather it is only "THE RIGHT OF THE ""PEOPLE"" TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (that) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; constitution; guncontrol; gunrights; secondamendment
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Yes. They can and they have. Not much during the past Century though...


81 posted on 01/18/2013 6:31:02 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
All states are admitted on the same basis as the other states.

So we pretend they popped into existence just as if they'd been full nations with all the powers and authority confirmed by the various world treaties that underly the existence of the very concept of nationstate.

Try Peace of Westphalia.

82 posted on 01/18/2013 6:54:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RightFighter; Jacquerie

This is the best and clearest summary on the 2nd I’ve ever read.

Let’s get this going viral.


83 posted on 01/18/2013 8:03:19 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: RightFighter

bump


84 posted on 01/18/2013 10:50:54 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


85 posted on 01/19/2013 1:21:54 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Defiant; the_Watchman; Repeal The 17th; 1010RD; Tublecane; Hillarys Gate Cult
Contemporaneous comments from Patrick Henry at the Virginia Ratifying Convention of 1788, who feared disarmament by the proposed government:

"Let me here call your attention to that part which gives the Congress power "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States — reserving to the states, respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress." By this, sir, you see that their control over our last and best defense is unlimited."

"If they neglect or refuse to discipline or arm our militia, they will be useless: the states can do neither — this power being exclusively given to Congress."

"The power of appointing officers over men not disciplined or armed is ridiculous; so that this pretended little remains of power left to the states may, at the pleasure of Congress, be rendered nugatory. Our situation will be deplorable indeed: nor can we ever expect to get this government amended, since I have already shown that a very small minority may prevent it, and that small minority interested in the continuance of the oppression. Will the oppressor let go the oppressed? Was there ever an instance? Can the annals of mankind exhibit one single example where rulers overcharged with power willingly let go the oppressed, though solicited and requested most earnestly? The application for amendments will therefore be fruitless. Sometimes, the oppressed have got loose by one of those bloody struggles that desolate a country; but a willing relinquishment of power is one of those things which human nature never was, nor ever will be, capable of."

Thanks for a great post RightFigher.

Our Framing generation abhorred standing armies. Despite their mixed performance at best during the war, there was no way the Anti-Federalists would allow the new government a loophole to disarm the militia. That would invite the scourge of standing armmies to enforce the law. In addition to attempted disarmament by the Brits at the opening of the Revolutionary War war, our foreign ministers to France and Spain had seen what happened when only the government owned weapons; that was not going to happen here.

By supporting the militia, the Second Amendment ensured the government would never have a monopoly on force. It is a personal right that served the fundamental purpose of government, the protection of our lives.

Thanks for the ping, 1010RD.

86 posted on 01/19/2013 3:23:59 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: muawiyah
If Hamilton did nothing beyond writing most of the Federalist Papers, he should be lauded for as long as our republic draws breath.
87 posted on 01/19/2013 3:42:24 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

Whatever you want to believe.


88 posted on 01/19/2013 4:55:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dead Corpse
minnesota, in fact, submitted it's constitution to Congress in 1857/58 and it has been noted that the Bill of Rights IS Article I, Section 1 of that document.

So what is it you were trying to say?

89 posted on 01/19/2013 5:02:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jacquerie

Thank you. It appears those at the time were tying the second amendment to specific provisions in the Constitution. By the way, didn’t Patrick Henry oppose the Constitution?


90 posted on 01/19/2013 7:58:25 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

I believe you mean Miracle at Philadelphia.


91 posted on 01/19/2013 10:30:15 AM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: aflaak

Ping


92 posted on 01/19/2013 10:59:59 AM PST by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: RightFighter

That was my thought when I was a teen.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms regulates the militia and government.


93 posted on 01/19/2013 11:03:07 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: DarkWaters
Yes, DUH!

I could have sworn I typed that correctly...

Well, time for my Metamucil.

94 posted on 01/19/2013 12:52:00 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Proud Thought Criminal since 1984)
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To: Defiant
Yes, Patrick Henry lead the Anti-Federals in VA. His stature and reputation were second only to George Washington.

Had he and a few other Whig patriots attended the Constitutional Convention to which they were appointed, there is little doubt the Convention would have drafted a different product.

95 posted on 01/19/2013 1:58:14 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Tublecane

Are you a lawyer?


96 posted on 01/19/2013 3:06:33 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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