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To: central_va
He made conciliatory statements in order to save the Union, which the slavers have since taken out of context and tried to use to support claims that are counter-factual. Your own people (the slavers) said it was about slavery. Read some original sources.

The rest of your statement is so pathetically silly I don't even know where to start. Black participation in the Union army wasn't even permitted until 1863. At the end of the war it was less than 10% of the Union army and blacks were not primarily serving in combat units. The Irish constituted an even smaller percentage -- just over 7% by most estimates. The highest I've ever seen was 7.5%.

While it's incredible the history you Lost Causers are ignorant of, it's nothing compared to what you think you know that's simply wrong.

65 posted on 01/20/2013 10:56:04 AM PST by FredZarguna ("The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." -- Henry the Sixth Part II, 4.2.71-78)
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To: FredZarguna
Irish, German black etc. made up 25% of Lincoln's Army.

The New York City draft riots (July 13 to July 16, 1863; known at the time as Draft Week[2]) were violent disturbances in New York City that were the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history.[3]

President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops from following up after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, primarily ethnic Irish, resenting particularly that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared the draft.[4][5]

66 posted on 01/20/2013 11:06:52 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FredZarguna

So Lincoln, besides being a butcher was a liar. Ok. I can go with that.


67 posted on 01/20/2013 11:08:01 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FredZarguna; central_va

One of cva’s routine contentions is something along the lines that the north imported or drafted off the boats foreigners to fight against the rebels. Thus his emphasis on “Foreign Soldiers”.

I have yet to see any evidence of that. What cva provides is evidence that immigrants were willing - or compelled - to fight. This link: http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Immigrant_Soldiers_Civil_War.pdf puts the Irish immigrant participation at 9.1%. I guess somehow he feeeeeeeeeeels that this proves his point (whatever that is).

But here is where it becomes interesting. The same documentation that shows the diversity of northern soldiers also shows that the confeds were pretty much a white-bread operation with only about 9% foreign born. Source: http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Immigrant_Soldiers_Civil_War.pdf

So the interesting part comes when the revisionist lost causers (but I repeat myself) attempt to portray themselves as champions of diversity. Read this document and notice how that same 9% is presented to look like a rainbow of diversity: http://www.florida-scv.org/Camp1316/Minorities%20in%20the%20Confederate%20Army.pdf

I guess it isn’t so much the truth as it is the telling ;-)


73 posted on 01/20/2013 12:15:25 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: FredZarguna; central_va
He made conciliatory statements in order to save the Union...

To save the Union from what?

76 posted on 01/20/2013 2:56:34 PM PST by southernsunshine
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