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Obama Is Unlikely To Become One Of The Great Presidents
Tampa Bay Times ^ | January 21, 2013 | Robert J. Samuelson

Posted on 01/21/2013 5:48:44 AM PST by Iron Munro

Edited on 01/21/2013 7:51:52 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

The "legacy thing" may be harder than Barack Obama imagines. Beginning his second term, Obama has a focused, though unstated, agenda: to achieve presidential greatness in the eyes of historians and Americans. In this, he will almost certainly fail. He is already a historic president as the first African-American to be elected, but there is a chasm between being historic and being great.

Presidents are ultimately judged not by their total record, or by their ability to enact their agendas, or by their popularity. They are judged by whether they get a few very big decisions right or wrong. Lyndon Johnson is mostly remembered for failure in Vietnam; it overshadows the passage of two landmark civil rights bills and approval of Medicare and Medicaid. Richard Nixon is not celebrated for creating the Environmental Protection Agency, expanding food stamps or opening talks with China; Watergate dwarfs all.

These appraisals are made while a president is in office and, more definitively, after he's left. Does a president's performance stand the test of time based on what happens later? Did his policies advance or retard the nation's well-being? Were they wise or simply expedient? Depending on the answers, much else can be forgiven or forgotten, as Robert Merry shows in his engaging book Where They Stand: The American Presidents in the Eyes of Voters and Historians.

Consider Harry Truman. For his last year in office, he was deeply unpopular. His approval rating hit a low of 22 percent. The Korean War frustrated Americans; the White House was accused of cronyism. Yet, historians rank him in the top 10 presidents. Merry relates Truman's reaction to the Soviets' 1948 overland blockade of Berlin "to starve out the city and bring it under the Soviet yoke." His top advisers concluded that U.S. withdrawal was inevitable.

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The Obama Presidency will be defined by the smallness of the man.
1 posted on 01/21/2013 5:48:52 AM PST by Iron Munro
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To: Iron Munro
The Obama Presidency will be defined by the smallness of the man.

And the largesse of government.

2 posted on 01/21/2013 5:52:15 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Iron Munro

One of the all time worse.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 5:52:28 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

wurst ?


4 posted on 01/21/2013 5:54:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Iron Munro
Obama could care less what grade he gets. It's all about "I Won".

And why did he win? Pure demographics...Blacks, hispanics, Dem sheep....

He has ctually beat the intention of the Electoral College. It was all a numbers game.

I consider him "The Pretend President"....Because he has made my country "unreal"!

5 posted on 01/21/2013 5:54:15 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

......And VOTER FRAUD, pure and simple.

The rest are secondary.


6 posted on 01/21/2013 5:56:09 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

wurstest


7 posted on 01/21/2013 5:57:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Iron Munro

To 47% of the people, he already is one of the greatest presidents. The media will continue to work on the rest.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 5:58:26 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Iron Munro
Through no fault of his own, Obama will not be joining them.

Obama will be held accountable for his choices. We will determine whether or not he is at fault.

9 posted on 01/21/2013 5:58:32 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Iron Munro

America is facing a mortal peril during the Obama presidency. That peril is the Obama administration.


10 posted on 01/21/2013 5:58:46 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free." - Mike Muir)
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To: Iron Munro

“Obama will be denied a similar opportunity because, for all the nation’s serious problems, none yet rises to the level of mortal peril. “

Obama himself represents mortal peril to the Republic.


11 posted on 01/21/2013 5:59:08 AM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: Biggirl

I have no doubt there was voter fraud. There should be no early voting OR absentee voting unless absolutely necessary.


12 posted on 01/21/2013 5:59:24 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Iron Munro

0bamao is already the worst president in my lifetime of more than 60 years. The Kommie Kenyan Kaliph.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 6:00:27 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Iron Munro
Well, they stole the election right from under our own eyes, so now we have four years of this to look forward to.

Michelle Obama: "All this for a damn flag!"
Michelle Obama: all this for a damn flag read lips
↑ Click the image above to see the full video on YouTube. ↑

Obamas hate america

14 posted on 01/21/2013 6:01:33 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: mmichaels1970

.....Or so they claim.

This poster will continue to resist.


15 posted on 01/21/2013 6:02:15 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Iron Munro

Obama is great... a great failure at everything he touches except getting elected.


16 posted on 01/21/2013 6:02:49 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Sacajaweau
There should be no early voting OR absentee voting unless absolutely necessary.

Like entitlements, we've gone over the cliff on that one. Anyone attempting to make those changes will be accused of voter suppression and racism.
17 posted on 01/21/2013 6:03:15 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Bon mots

It was a stolen election, that is why I am learning to ignore the nonsense for the next four years.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 6:03:22 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sacajaweau

What does early voting matter if you’re going to allow busloads of Somali’s to vote, banners supporting Obama over the polling booth, and 141% voter turnout?


19 posted on 01/21/2013 6:03:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Iron Munro

Obama will be denied a similar opportunity because, for all the nation’s serious problems, none yet rises to the level of mortal peril.
............................................................

Where is the fool— FOOL-—damned Fool that wrote this nonsense.

Muslims are rising everywhere, Iran is building a nuke Korea has nukes, Obama is closing down OUR nukes.Christians are under attack in the Middle East and China is threatening Japan and Taiwan and building aircraft carriers.

We have a weak ,Muslim loving, ignorant,cowrad in the White house and this fool thinks we aren’t in peril.

Obama will never rise to the occasion as other Presidents have, he is too busy disarming us and filling our military with queers.


20 posted on 01/21/2013 6:03:53 AM PST by Venturer
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To: mmichaels1970

“There should be no early voting OR absentee voting unless absolutely necessary.”

You have to start somewhere. That is a good place to start.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 6:04:54 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Iron Munro

A dog turd will never become a diamond.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 6:05:29 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Iron Munro

Obama’s time in office will be recorded by history as one of the worst results of having a very ignorant electorate. Obama himself will be characterized as causing the most harm to this country in its history to date.

History will also have a great deal to say about the state of journalism in this time period.


23 posted on 01/21/2013 6:05:36 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Iron Munro
Great? Worst?

Judgmental terms -- different folks will feel differently, and the academics and the historians are likely to define him as they wish, not how he was.

I think we can say this: Obama is a pivotal president. He changed things. The spending, the racial policies, the cult of personality, Obamacare, possibly gun control -- there will be America before Obama, and there will be America after Obama: but Obama will be the dividing line that makes a difference.

On the one hand, America might conclude: What a disaster! We must never pursue progressive politics again!!
On the other hand, America migth conclude: We cannot manage freedom. We need government to control all aspects of our lives because only Washington has enough wisdom.

Whichever way it goes, history will look to Obama and say: This Was When It Changed.

24 posted on 01/21/2013 6:07:09 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Iron Munro
He will secure his place in history for dismantling America.
25 posted on 01/21/2013 6:10:03 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: Iron Munro

Obama’s mentality is no different that a “gangsta rapper” from MTV. With him it’s all about bling, mo money mo money mo money, fancy belongings, high dollar ride etc. (sarcasm off)


26 posted on 01/21/2013 6:11:52 AM PST by albie
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To: Iron Munro

My prediction: Obama will go down in history as either Americas:

1) Hitler(white conservatives = Jews)
2) Stalin(repeat of Holodomor)
3) Mao( GREEN Leap Forward)
4) Mugumbe(More white persecution)
5) Mussolini(Cult of personality + Fascism)—MY PREDICTION
6) Pol Pot(extreme environmentalism communism)
7) Castro( Communism)
8) Chavez(Marxism)
9) Ayatollah Khomeini( Muslim Brotherhood coup)
10) Last President before split up of USA


27 posted on 01/21/2013 6:12:11 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Iron Munro

The author is correct on several points.

-He’s not all that bright.
-He does not have the backbone to make the sorts of decisions that render one a historically significant POTUS.
-He appears to enjoy the trappings of the office (the adulation, vacations, endless rounds of golf and chilling with celebrities) far more than the job itself.
-Continuing indications are that someone else is actually pulling his strings (Moochelle, Valerie Jarrett, George Soros, perhaps all of the above)
-Benghazi reveals very clearly that his administration is a rollicking fustercluck that would be enjoying Nixonian levels of approval were the media not in full-time 24/7 cover-up mode.


28 posted on 01/21/2013 6:13:41 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Iron Munro

He personifies incompetence!


29 posted on 01/21/2013 6:14:05 AM PST by Marathoner 244
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To: Iron Munro

He appears to wanna be the Garbageoff of American Presidents.


30 posted on 01/21/2013 6:14:47 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Iron Munro

Ummm, “Duh!”


31 posted on 01/21/2013 6:21:17 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Little Ray

I keep up my hopes that nopbama will be the first president imprisoned in a Federal Supermax.


32 posted on 01/21/2013 6:23:27 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Iron Munro

What is more scary is the possibility that the feckless Republicans could lose the House in 2014, thus giving Obama another chance at ramming through his agenda by the Dems holding the House, the Senate and the White House.


33 posted on 01/21/2013 6:23:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Little Ray

I keep up my hopes that nobama will be the first president imprisoned in a Federal Supermax.


34 posted on 01/21/2013 6:24:03 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Iron Munro
He will be known as the anti-capitalism President. There have been others, but his socialist bent has been more overt.

Fiscal liberalism will most certainly suffer a setback, as the coming inflation will be attributed to Obama, IMHO.

35 posted on 01/21/2013 6:24:18 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Iron Munro
0bama has a lot of "greats," to his presidency...

Great divider, great government grower, great spender, great gun grabber, great power grabber,...

5.56mm

36 posted on 01/21/2013 6:24:18 AM PST by M Kehoe
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Zippo is going for absolute power because he won't make it for 4 more years.

He's doing exactly what Clinton did prior to the OKC bombing.

There's a terrorist attack coming down the pike, and they are trying to make it appear as if the “right wing extremist” have teamed up with the terrorist to wage war against the US govt.

They have already tried this once in his first term with the fertilizer car bomb in NYC. They knew then Zippo wasn't going to get a second term.

Had that bomb gone off and not fizzled he would have done it then.

You are right, the only way he was reelected is voter fraud and they didn't even come up with that until after the terrorist attack in Libya.

That attack was supposed to set Hillary up to run against Romney in 2016.

The plan was to make it appear as if Romney and the repubs had collaborated with the terrorist to make Zippo look like Carter.

Just like when Hillary started the left wing rumor mill blaming 9-11 on Bush when she held up a paper saying BUSH KNEW, she tried to start the same left wing rumor mill with her statement after the attack.

37 posted on 01/21/2013 6:32:57 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Sacajaweau

Worsted.


38 posted on 01/21/2013 6:34:47 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Iron Munro

wrote CBS News political director John Dickerson at Slate Friday evening in a piece astonishingly titled “Go for the Throat! Why if he wants to transform American politics, Obama must declare war on the Republican Party.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2979970/posts

And in an unrelated story..... sarc

Former Secretary of State Rice joins CBS News

Published January 20, 2013

| Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Just in time for inauguration coverage, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has joined CBS News as a contributor.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/20/former-secretary-state-rice-joins-cbs-news/print#ixzz2IcW0p9yC


39 posted on 01/21/2013 6:36:46 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Obama Legacy:

1. - America’s first black skinned president
2. - America’s last black skinned president


40 posted on 01/21/2013 6:38:01 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro
Assuming that honest people write the history of our time, Obama wil go down in history as a profligate, overbearing and divisive president, a latter-day and less personable echo of LBJ.

That said I actually believe that the worst sort of leftist partisans will write our history, as has been the case since at least 1960. I fully expect a national holiday celebrating BO's birthday and to see a BO memorial on the National Mall in my lifetime.

41 posted on 01/21/2013 6:44:49 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: TomGuy
What is more scary is the possibility that the feckless Republicans could lose the House in 2014

Got into a big argument with a family member over the weekend. He felt that if the Pubbies could just stall for 2 yrs. Obama will become a lame duck and start to fade away. I on the other hand fear that they are going to fumble this thing so badly they will lose the House in '14 and the entire Progressive Agenda will be put on a legislative rocket sled.


42 posted on 01/21/2013 6:45:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Iron Munro

Has the TBT just realized that? Well, it shows they are thinking, unlike the rest of the media.


43 posted on 01/21/2013 6:46:55 AM PST by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: Iron Munro
"He is already a historic president as the first African-American to be elected,..."

He is already a historic president as the WORST EVER POS to be elected.

44 posted on 01/21/2013 6:49:01 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Biggirl
I really believe there was massive voter fraud, but I also believe that it could have been overcome IF conservatives had showed up to vote.
45 posted on 01/21/2013 6:56:15 AM PST by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Iron Munro

“The Obama Presidency will be defined by the smallness of the man”

Well that and then being a Muzzie lovin Commie who at some point will be shown not even to be a legal US citizen and not eligible to even be President.


46 posted on 01/21/2013 7:01:30 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Iron Munro

Let’s see if I can find something generous to say about this phony, Kenyan fatuous asshat:

Who the hell does Barack Obama, this morally preening, arrogant hypocrite, think he is? His vacuous, demagogic shtick about helping the ‘people’ fight ‘the powerful’ is getting so old from his lips, and already was so hackneyed even before he expropriated it, that it’s a miracle that even he himself can say it anymore without getting nauseated by his own oleaginous triteness.

This love affair he has with homosexuals and other assorted sex types is unholy. It’s as though he has a personal axe to grind in this war waged by homos to get accepted as ‘normal’ human beings. Methinks he speaks from experience. It’s a complete puzzle to me how this cupcake fathered two daughters.


47 posted on 01/21/2013 7:24:45 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Iron Munro

The Obama Presidency will be defined as small mind creates big problems.


48 posted on 01/21/2013 7:30:57 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Iron Munro

The Obama Presidency , 24 years of NOTHING !!!


49 posted on 01/21/2013 7:44:33 AM PST by molson209
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To: Iron Munro
Colonel Potter's patois provided an apt name for Obama: The Mule Cookie President.
50 posted on 01/21/2013 8:01:57 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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