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Debunking the Sandy Hook Debunkers
Ameridan Thinker ^ | January 21, 2013 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 01/21/2013 6:36:54 AM PST by libstripper

During the age of Obama, the major media have gone fully AWOL. If they fear that their reporting will lead to inconvenient discoveries, they simply stop their advance, lay down their notebooks, and disappear. This trend began in the Clinton years and picked up momentum after the 1994 electoral debacle, but the Clintons at least worried that the media might turn on them.

If Barack Obama ever had any such anxiety, the nonreporting on Fast and Furious, Benghazi and now Sandy Hook has had to reassure him. Sandy Hook is particularly disturbing because the truth is, or at least should have been, so accessible. This tragedy should never have spawned anything like a conspiracy theory, but it obviously has.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; lanza; massacre; newtown; partisanmediashills; sandyhook; sandyhookshooting; secondamendment
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The more this goes on, the more I think this atrocity was the Regime's work, just as Fast and Furious was and for the same purpose, destroying the Second Amendment.
1 posted on 01/21/2013 6:37:05 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Living in Newtown, I can confirm for everyone that there are deaths in the event. I can also confirm that funerals occurred; be it all closed casket by families that myself nor my people in town had ever heard of (Which isn’t important, it’s not THAT small of a town).

Not a lot of people in that town own guns. If they do, an AR, a Iszmash shotgun (Spellius Wrongus) and a 10mm Glock are particularly odd choices to own.

There were other people apprehended very quickly. There was an APB for a maroon sedan with a blown out rear window - The window was blown out from gunfire.

And yes, that is our medical examiner. He’s an odd character.

The stories don’t make sense, and should be investigated. It’s the job of the media to investigate - But they do not, and will not - That’s been proven time and time again.

So just like the history of our own “president”, we simply don’t know what happened. We aren’t being told what happened, so we MUST draw our own conclusions. It’s a shame that people will be getting hurt in the process - Families that sustained real losses and have their losses doubted by the world. That happens when no one tells a believable story.

All of what’s going on around us lies in this limbo of misinformation. We aren’t told about things like birth certificates, legislative processes, school records, etc. So we are left to investigate for ourselves.

I blame, as usual, the media. Fully responsible.


2 posted on 01/21/2013 6:49:07 AM PST by Celerity
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To: Celerity

“If they do, an AR, a Iszmash shotgun (Spellius Wrongus) and a 10mm Glock are particularly odd choices to own.”

You certainly have a different view of the appropriate level of personal armament than we in TN do, at least before that terrible epidemic of Tragic
Boating Accidents on TVA lakes. On AR or AK variant plus at least one semi-auto handgun, 9 mm. & up seemed to be pretty common around these parts.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 6:55:52 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

I don’t think there is any conspiracy. I do believe that this Administration sucks so bad that there are a lot of people who think that those dumba$%es could orchestrate something like this. They can’t. They are terminally stupid.

I think that this administration would like it very much, however, if their “enemies” believed that they were this smart. Once again, they are not.

Even my Father sent me a link this morning showing the video of the Police taking the shotgun from the car and he declared that it was obviously the Bushmaster and that the shooter never used it.

Look up: Izmash Canta-12 (12 GA) and you will easily see why so many have become confused on that one.

This conspiracy would only work if all 100+ first responders, the parents, the teachers and faculty, and the kids were all in on it.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 6:57:02 AM PST by Noamie
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To: libstripper

5 posted on 01/21/2013 6:58:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Celerity

Do you know any local police officers. It would seem that they would be in the know. Wouldn’t they come forward on obvious discrepancies, even if “off the record”?

Hard to believe that local responders could be shut up so easily.


6 posted on 01/21/2013 7:02:05 AM PST by marktwain
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To: libstripper
Political opportunism =/= conspiracy

Shoddy journalism =/= conspiracy

Unfortunately, we live in an age where there is so little trust in the government that people immediately assume conpiracy in place of the far more likely suspects of ineptitude and opportuism. This reflex is simply anger and fear from our larger problems masquerading as prudent concern in the smaller ones.

Unfortunately, perception and image is vital in our larger war, and coming off as irrational ain't helping.

7 posted on 01/21/2013 7:04:17 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: libstripper

I don’t know what the truth is. But I do not believe what the media told us that day. All we know about this “shooting” is what the media told us. We saw noting with our own eyes.
I do know that I 100% believe Lanza was not the killer.

Sorry, if there were deaths, they didn’t happen the way the media told us they happened.

I don’t trust the government nor the media. False realities and false beliefs.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 7:07:02 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: libstripper
I am starting to wonder if much of the erroneous reporting is there to inspire conspiracy theories that they can ridicule.

I am not sure if I am right, but I do not remember seeing anything about wounded at Sandy Hook. I seriously doubt there can be a mass killing on the scale of Sandy Hook without wounded.

Just a couple of the many doubts I have about the MSM and the government.

9 posted on 01/21/2013 7:08:15 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: libstripper

The “trend” began with Reagan’s election. They still reported some things honestly but they were quick to jump on any mistake of Reagan’s and excuse the Democrats. Its the “Watergate” generation of reporters now being in charge. They view themselves as advancing a Progressive agenda, not reporting the news.


10 posted on 01/21/2013 7:20:22 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Celerity
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11 posted on 01/21/2013 7:21:30 AM PST by twistedwrench
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To: Celerity

Thoughtful post; thanks. This inability to give the public truthful information spans administrations. Those run these investigations prefer their narratives over believability every time.


12 posted on 01/21/2013 7:22:17 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

“Those who run...”


13 posted on 01/21/2013 7:25:35 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: libstripper

This is what it looks when an idiot gets run over by logic.
Posted on January 21, 2013 by Miguel
VIDEO

West Virginia Citizens Defense League President, Keith Morgan basically shreds Talking Head Keith Morgan on Gun Control.

Take pointers from this interview.

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/


14 posted on 01/21/2013 7:26:16 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: libstripper

It must be amazing to be Jack Cashill; most people go their whole life without encountering a conspiracy and he’s uncovered a boatload in a couple of decades.


15 posted on 01/21/2013 7:27:43 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Resettozero

Never believe what you read and certainly not your own eyes see. Simnply, “Do you believe what I told you or what you saw?”

How can anyone believe anything anymore unless you are there and actually see such things happening? Even then, you will be put down for reporting the truth because it may not fit with their agenda.

I still have my doubts about the Bin Laden death and burial at sea. Would like to hear more from the sailors on board that ship.


16 posted on 01/21/2013 7:27:56 AM PST by Progov
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To: Travis McGee

Good to kep questioning this
I have wondered since day 1 why we have never seen the door that lanza used to get into the building. Is it possible no news outlet has been abel to get a picture of it?
did he shoort it open?

and why have we seen no vids from in building CCT?

On the other side i wonder if the regime deliberately offers up inconsistencies so we look like idiots?


17 posted on 01/21/2013 7:34:23 AM PST by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: libstripper
Protecting the major media's flank during retreat are many and sundry well-funded leftist blogs ..... While the major media withdraw, the blogs attack those who might challenge the "narrative" the majors have left behind.

Jack, if you were too stupid to fall for the NBC narrative that they left behind then you deserve to be attacked.

18 posted on 01/21/2013 7:39:40 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Celerity

Thank you. I’m sorry for all the pain and concern.

I hadn’t heard about the rear window blown out by gunfire. The sedan yes. The blow out, no.

Now, the Bushmaster comments make sense.

For example: Sleepy little town in no particular location. Isolated locale for a school.


19 posted on 01/21/2013 7:41:17 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Celerity
"The stories don’t make sense, and should be investigated. It’s the job of the media to investigate - But they do not, and will not - That’s been proven time and time again."

Why would it be true that "it's the job of the media to investigate"? What gives them that authority to be the final authority?

If there are enough citizens, particularly CT residents, and especially local residents who do not believe what they are hearing, then why do they not form a citizens enquiry, even a citizens grand jury ?

20 posted on 01/21/2013 7:50:53 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Celerity

Have you taken your questions to the Newtown Bee???

How about the police and firemen and first responders who live in your midst. Have you asked any of them your questions???

We hear of people detained at the scene They have been identified as Christopher Manfredonia and an off duty officer from another town. Is that all true.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 7:56:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: John Leland 1789

A citizen-initiated grand jury is an enormously difficult process because the local authorities will bring everything to keep it from happening...can’t have the proles exposing the malfeasance, bad for business.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 8:00:24 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: twistedwrench

If a picture is worth a thousand words, this one defines that to perfection. The news media is what is really wrong with our country today. Yes, we have a unqualified imposter in the White House, but the media looked the other way on anything that would make him look bad. And for what? Do they really think that they are going to be spared when the iron fist is slammed onto the desk? IMO, the media will let all of our freedoms be swept away until the govt takes on the first one - the very one that affects them. Then they will be outspoken.


23 posted on 01/21/2013 8:09:43 AM PST by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: libstripper
In those two tragedies, as is often the case, the early reporting was the most reliable.

If that is true, Jack, and you believe that, then why aren't you relying on the police dispatch that was recorded LIVE and published the day it happened by the NH Register -- before the NBC narrative was aired.

I thought you were smarter than that.

24 posted on 01/21/2013 8:25:51 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: libstripper
This shift in reporting may be justified, and Williams' sources may have been wrong, but why has no one at NBC addressed the discrepancy?

"may" -- "may????" -- where the h have you been??? Their whole report was wrong that morning and you say "may"???

and btw they did apologize for it the evening of the 15th on the NBC Nightly News.

Where you been, Jack???

25 posted on 01/21/2013 8:30:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Celerity

I can imagine that the fear and the frustration of the normal Newton citizens must be there.

I am praying for you and your town, and the other citizens. I am really sorry you have to go through this.

I am sure there were a couple, or a few deaths and I am sorry about that loss of life.


26 posted on 01/21/2013 8:38:49 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: KeyLargo
http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/

This is instructive for FReepers who are confronted by closed-minded persons on almost any topic.

Be prepared with your facts. Don't become shrill; stay even-toned. Don't concede to the interviewer's fuzziness of logic, interruptions of what you wish to say, or other diversions. Stand your ground. The high ground.
27 posted on 01/21/2013 8:51:15 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: libstripper

I was a Prosecutor for 25 years, and few things have disgusted me as much as the “Sandy Hook Truthers”. Utterly disgusting.


28 posted on 01/21/2013 8:52:06 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: libstripper

I, for one, do not know what happened...all I know is, I do not trust or believe anything the media, or this administration tells me...


29 posted on 01/21/2013 8:52:09 AM PST by little-e ("It's a great day for hockey." Badger Bob Johnson..)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The “trend” began with Reagan’s election.

I can trace my first question marks back to a young Dan Rather's reporting from the Dallas hospital in 1963. Kept my eye on him for years and, because of his subsequent lies to his viewers, I still wonder about his news reports on 11/22/63.
30 posted on 01/21/2013 8:58:26 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Noamie
This conspiracy would only work if all 100+ first responders, the parents, the teachers and faculty, and the kids were all in on it.

I respectfully disagree. You seem to assume that the subterfuge would mean that no kids died. But that's not how these false flag operations necessarily work. The point is to create the desired climate of fear. If innocents have to die, then, as Madeline Albright put it, "that's a price we're willing to pay."

I don't doubt that a bunch of innocent people were killed. That's not the question. The real question is whether the shooter or shooters were operating with the at least tacit consent and even direction of the government.

There's enough evidence that they were to effectively shift the burden of proof to the government to show that it was no behind the incident.

And for me that's the main point. It's on the government to prove its innocence at this point. Their guilt is assumed pending convincing evidence to the contrary.

31 posted on 01/21/2013 8:58:32 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Noamie
I do believe that this Administration sucks so bad that there are a lot of people who think that those dumba$%es could orchestrate something like this. They can’t. They are terminally stupid.

While I tend to agree, that could be a dangerous assumption.

32 posted on 01/21/2013 8:59:41 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The Newtown Bee is a bastion of hope in the terms of their reporting. The staff and crew there are top notch, and uphold an integrity that is rare in today’s media. That said, they aren’t paid any money from major advertisers. They love their job, they love their town, and it suits their agenda to just report truthfully, stand behind their facts, and get those facts in a way that is congruent with journalistic integrity. I always give kudos to Shannon Hicks - Who takes no opportunity to spread her own views on anything. She and her staff simply report things.

All people have been asked to refrain from making statements or talking about the case until such time that facts are all straightened out. This is common practice. Whenever it comes to crime it’s in the playbook to not discuss things outside of official channels or in an active court of law. That’s common practice.

The topic getting very cumbersome these days. And I’m not a towny, not someone who is a socialite. I frequent the coffee shop and the highway. Anything else in between isn’t part of my routine. I’m typical in that fashion. We just aren’t a tight knit community. My other town in PA is tight knit. But in CT, it’s just a bunch of people with nice television sets. No one really knows their neighbors.


33 posted on 01/21/2013 9:01:26 AM PST by Celerity
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To: RIghtwardHo

“I was a Prosecutor for 25 years, and few things have disgusted me as much as the “Sandy Hook Truthers”. Utterly disgusting.”

Agreed. They soil FR and damage its credibility with their presence.


34 posted on 01/21/2013 9:08:53 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Celerity

Again, an informative post which I appreciate.


35 posted on 01/21/2013 9:09:37 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: libstripper

Yeah, this is definitely a point of contention in the NE. Connecticut is a unique gun culture and legal environment. Most of the carry pieces here are focused more on concealment than on effective ballistics. We don’t have a big wild animal problem (Unless you are talking about the wild cavemen that inhabit the coastal cities) and we don’t have the car drives that take us though miles of wilderness (Where a break-down can be a survival situation). Add to that the liberal culture and you may see where I’m going.

CT hasn’t always been a “shall issue” state, and the police aren’t very friendly to gun owners. Added to that, a rifle is still under many of the Clinton bans throughout the state.


36 posted on 01/21/2013 9:13:20 AM PST by Celerity
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To: RWGinger; Travis McGee

Where’s the brass?!

There should be no debate about the weapon used in the school, because the floor will be littered by casings. either elongated and tapered 223, or stubby and cylindrical 10mm, or obvious shotshell hulls.

Every first responder will have seen, and every photo will make it obvious.


37 posted on 01/21/2013 9:16:40 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Celerity
That’s common practice.

Thanks -- that's all good to know.

And if people in Newtown have been asked to refrain from making statements, then I think that those outside of there can refrain from demanding statements, and making accusations about an investigation that they are clearly serious about.

38 posted on 01/21/2013 9:25:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Maybe.

If our brilliant government wants to create a Gun Scare® situation then they do it in the manner of Waco, Ruby Ridge, Michigan Militia, etc. They do not perform a complicated drill like Sandy Hook.

Have you ever met a GS-28?

What Obama desperately wants isn’t another Sandy Hook — it’s a Waco. He’s been begging for it for 4 years.

At best, if we wanted to say that Benghazi was planned by this government then we see what they really would accomplish.... heck, Fast ‘n Furious. That’s the kind of “smarts” we get from Obama.

Sandy Hook, as a planned operation, is waaaaaaaay outside of this group’s level.

But, hey, I could be wrong. Whatever. :)


39 posted on 01/21/2013 9:33:51 AM PST by Noamie
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To: Beelzebubba
Where’s the brass?!

What makes you think they don't have photographs of it all and didn't pick it all up???

Its standard procedure to photo and collect.

And then what makes you think that they would show off the brass or make the photos public???

They never do that.

40 posted on 01/21/2013 9:37:24 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Aurorales
I do know that I 100% believe Lanza was not the killer.

If you weren't so repulsive, I would like to hear your theory on how Lanza ended up dead in the school since he wasn't the shooter. How was he and his dead Mother selected to be part of this conspiracy?

But I definitely don't want to give the attention that you so desperately need, so don't answer back. Idiot.

41 posted on 01/21/2013 9:42:33 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Aurorales
I do know that I 100% believe Lanza was not the killer.

If you weren't so repulsive, I would like to hear your theory on how Lanza ended up dead in the school since he wasn't the shooter. How was he and his dead Mother selected to be part of this conspiracy?

But I definitely don't want to give the attention that you so desperately need, so don't answer back. Idiot.

42 posted on 01/21/2013 9:42:42 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Beelzebubba

The brass will tell the tale, and it can’t be faked, replaced etc, because all sorts of first responders were taking photos without a doubt.


43 posted on 01/21/2013 10:19:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

You wouldn’t need that many. The first responders saw what they saw... dead bodies. They don’t write the official narrative. That can be easily orchestrated by a few at the top. As a government contractor, I have seen 6 figure careers destroyed over a few thousand in cash many of times. So unless the theory is that the event didn’t happen, it could have been pulled off.


44 posted on 01/21/2013 10:20:21 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601
Whenever there is a conspiracy with Gov't, I always ask: Is Gov't competent enough to pull it off?

No. Gov't cannot do anything correctly, now they are pulling off the most amazing twists and turns in society.

The initial reports with 9/11 were wrong. Everything is usually wrong at first. That is the nature of play by play.

45 posted on 01/21/2013 10:23:55 AM PST by Theoria
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To: RIghtwardHo
I was a Prosecutor for 25 years, and few things have disgusted me as much as the “Sandy Hook Truthers”. Utterly disgusting.

Indeed.

And when these people are called out they try to pretend they aren't promoting conspiracy theories here, but only asking innocent questions about the "official" story.

46 posted on 01/21/2013 10:28:53 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Noamie

Agree, I don’t think this was planned or done by the government itself. They sure did have their ducks in a row in the response, however.


47 posted on 01/21/2013 10:29:09 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: submarinerswife

Repulsive?

Calm down crazy.

He is dead. Mom is dead. Who killed them... I have no idea.
He is the token patsy for this staged event.
Plus he is a victim.

I don’t want attention. Just letting FReepers who can think for themselves know what is going on.

But to each his own. If you want to continue to live in the matrix spoon fed to you by the government and the so- called media, then fine.

Maybe if you wish hard enough...Obama will swoop down and bring you a unicorn.

Wake the hell up.


48 posted on 01/21/2013 10:31:41 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Theoria

It depends on the extent of the conspiracy. Do I think the government could have coordinated this attack? No. Do I think they could have controlled the “facts” that came out to the public regarding the event? Abso. They were clearly waiting for something like this to happen as evidenced by how perfectly coordinated the gun grabbers were as opposed to the Aurora.


49 posted on 01/21/2013 10:34:07 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: libstripper
I'm not one for conspiracies, but the MSM will not report the truth about what actually happened at Sandy Hook and will twist the truth or outright lie to preserve the liberal narrative. The murder weapon according to the narrative must be an "assault weapon" with a high capacity magazine as those can be easily banned in the hysteria. That the murder weapon actually was one or more pistols doesn't fit the narrative and as a recognized personal protection weapon pistols would be harder to ban.

I also believe that the school's much vaunted lock down policies failed totally not because the shooter quickly killed the office staff, but due to bureaucratic bumbling and ineptitude. Reports that the shooter had to shoot through the glass front door to gain entry to the school should have given time to activate a lock down and more quickly summon police, but the 911 calls seemed to be coming from private cellphones elsewhere in the school. Could it be that only someone in "authority" like a school principal is allowed to call 911? Having some knowledge of the mindless bureaucracy in our nation's schools I would not find that hard to believe.

50 posted on 01/21/2013 10:36:20 AM PST by The Great RJ
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