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(OH)There is a reason legislators ignored the Chicken Little objections
Buckeye Firearms Association ^ | 21 January, 2013 | Chad D. Baus

Posted on 01/22/2013 4:49:38 AM PST by marktwain

Lost in all the attention being rightly given to the mass murder in Connecticut one month ago was the Ohio legislature's passage of yet another bill designed to improve the state's concealed carry law.

The few news articles written to cover passage of HB495 (Reciprocity & Concealed Carry Modernization), which passed the day before the horrific events in Newtown, CT, were quick to point out that the legislation was passed above the objections of "law enforcement" (despite the fact that the Ohio State Highway Patrol and Buckeye State Sheriff's Association did not object to the bill).

If the OSHP and BSSA were unopposed, who exactly are they referring to, and what exactly were the objections? Furthermore, can we learn anything from history that can tell us whether or not their objections deserved consideration?

There were two law enforcement organizations who testified in opposition to HB495 - the Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police (OACP), and the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police (FOP).

Let's look at them one at a time: Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police

John Gilchrist Esq. is the professional/paid lobbyist for the Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police (OACP.) In Ohio, Chiefs of Police are unelected officials, most often appointed by a mayor or a city council. There is no direct accountability to the voters. The OACP has opposed every single piece of pro-gun legislation that empowers civilians, including the original concealed carry law.

Consider what Mr. Gilchrist has testified would happen...

...if concealed carry (HB12) passed:

Gilchrist claimed that "if 200,000 to 300,000 citizens begin carrying a concealed weapon, common sense tells us that accidents will become a daily event" and that "many of those who will carry a concealed weapon will also be under the influence of alcohol." (Hasn't happened.)

...if Restaurant Carry (SB17) passed:

Gilchrist testified that "the association believes that allowing guns in barrooms, stadiums, taverns, restaurants and other businesses that sell alcohol will result in more gun violence." (Hasn't happened.)

...if Castle Doctrine (SB184) passed:

"I do not feel Castle Doctrine will help any law abiding citizen." (Oh, but it has.)

And so, once again, Ohio legislators considered a piece of legislation designed to improve and simplify the law for law-abiding gun owners, and Gilchrist came with warnings that if it passes "it will make the job of a peace officer more dangerous" because a non-licensee could have "ammunition in a magazine or speed-loader and have the firearm and magazine or speed-loader readily available - both could be on the on the passenger seat."

Gilchrist further theorized that a person with a gun on their seat could then, when being stopped by police, suffer a "breakdown." He testified they could "snap emotionally, pull their gun, and we could end up with a dead officer." Ohio Fraternal Order of Police

The Ohio Fraternal Order of Police also employs a professional paid lobbyist. The FOP is a union that represents sworn police officers and is funded through union dues deducted from wages paid to police officers (i.e. funded by your tax dollars.) Neither the labor union leadership nor the members are directly accountable to voters.

In its opposition to SB239 (Restaurant & Carry Carry Rules Fix), the FOP's lobbyist claimed it would allow licensees to drive around "twirling" guns on their finger, allow the use of "quick draw" holsters that are a danger to police and require those going to restaurants to have "designated shooters." He also testified that police officers, but not the general public, should be allowed to drink in restaurants and/or while consuming because they are "better trained," "better decision makers," and have received weapons retention training. He failed to give evidence that police officers are trained on how to carry while consuming alcohol (Hint: That's because they're not.)

The FOP opposed HB12 (Ohio Concealed Carry) as well as SB184 (Castle Doctrine), offering similar warnings that have never come to pass.

And so, it comes as no surprise to anyone that the Ohio FOP opposed HB495. The FOP lobbyist seems to believe that all law-abiding gun owners are cop-killers in waiting, objecting to a provision fixing the definition of a "loaded" gun in a motor vehicle by suggesting that this change would give an advantage to someone who intends to shoot an approaching officer (as though such a person really cares how the law defines a "loaded" gun in the first place!).

The Ohio FOP also objected to removing the "recurrent training" provision and comparing concealed handgun license (CHL) holders' 12 hours of training (the highest in the country) to the training police officer receive.

But this comparison is a non sequitur. A person with a CHL is a citizen exercising the federal and state constitutional right of self-defense through a statutory framework. This citizen faces strict, severe criminal and civil liability for any mistake made in exercising this most fundamental of rights.

A police officer is performing a job using extraordinary powers and immunities granted to them by citizens. The officer almost never personally faces civil or criminal liability for mistakes made; instead, they are granted broad immunity and, in an instance where this immunity does not apply, the taxpayers indemnify the officer for the mistake.

There is no logical comparison between a citizen exercising an inherent right and a police officer exercising extraordinary authority granted them by virtue of the job they hold. As such, a police officer's firearms training is not relevant to how a citizen exercises the federal and state constitutional right of self-defense.

NOT ONE of Gilchrist's or the FOP's Chicken Little predictions have come true when concealed carry, restaurant carry, or Castle Doctrine passed. The sky never fell.

And that is why legislators rightfully concluded that their opposition to HB495 wasn't worth consideration.

Chad D. Baus is the Buckeye Firearms Association Vice Chairman.

To contact Rep. Johnson to thank him for sponsoring this important legislation, and to thank Governor Kasich for signing it, please click here.

While you're there, use the Action Alerts to send a thank you to Representatives and Senators who voted for the bill!

TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; guncontrol; oh; police; secondamendment
The left always uses extreme hypotheticals to push their agenda, and the MSM usually encourages it.
1 posted on 01/22/2013 4:49:44 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The MSM is the left.

The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise and the MSM is the well functioning propaganda organ. There is no separation. There is unity.

We are near the point where the rights of the second amendment are needed to curb the excesses of the first

2 posted on 01/22/2013 4:57:44 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: marktwain

The only “law enforcement” who typically support “gun control” are the POLITICALLY APPOINTED, Chiefs of Police.

As you might expect, these Chiefs only support gun control as a condition of keeping their job.

3 posted on 01/22/2013 5:01:09 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: marktwain

Did you ever stop and think about why a substantial number of Police Officers and Police Organizations are so afraid of Armed Law Abiding Citizens? It always seems to boil down to They Are Afraid a Law Abiding Citizen Might Shoot them. Is this an admission by Police Officers and their organizations that Most Police Officers are Common Criminals and should never be Trusted?? I think it is, for why else would they be so afraid of the very Citizens that PAY THEIR SALARY and GRANT THEM THEIR POWER?? Oh that’s right, they are NOT ACCOUNTABLE to the People, only the Politicians that Hire them, which makes them by definition a AGENTS of a TYRANNICAL FORCE.

4 posted on 01/22/2013 5:05:37 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: marktwain
One fearing the tyranny of government should not consult with the government paid enforcers about ones freedom....they are what we want freedom from!!!
5 posted on 01/22/2013 5:19:50 AM PST by ontap
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To: eyeamok

My experience here in Knoxville, TN with a traffic stop when I was speeding was very different. I’m a CCW permit holder and always carry a loaded S&W magnum in my glove compartment (at least before That Tragic Boating Accident). The officer stopped me for speeding, changing lanes without signaling, and I didn’t have a current insrance card. The first thing I did when he approached the vehicle was inform him I was carry a loaded, with hollow points, weapon in the glove compartment and offered to show it to him. He laughed, said he knew it was there because he saw my permit, and voluntered that he also had a carry permit and carried most of the time; indeed, we agreed it was silly not to carry. Not only that, he knocked the speeding charge down to a local ordinance violation, meaning no points and no report to my insurance company, didn’t cite me for the lane change, and allowed me to resolve the insurance issue by simply sending in proof of insurance with payment of the ticket. All in all, for what could have been a very unpleasant experience, it was not at all bad and he was a very polite and professional gentleman. My congratulations to the Knoxville Police Department.

6 posted on 01/22/2013 6:21:39 AM PST by libstripper
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To: marktwain

The IACP, OACP and the FOP are all union democrat strongholds. It is no surprise to me that they oppose the 2nd amendment.

I was at our police station working out the day 0 was holding his anti-gun press conference. There were about a dozen officers taking the physical fitness test.

When 0 came on TV guys were yelling ‘FUBO’ ‘Come and take it’ and flipping the finger at the TV screen.

Just like everywhere else, the communists have infiltrated the top administration.

I got out of the FOP over a year ago. Long overdue.

7 posted on 01/22/2013 7:02:54 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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Bellefontaine Examiner (OH):

Armed homeowner thwarts Friday burglary

Created on Monday, 21 January 2013 Written by Joel E. Mast

An armed homeowner was able to confront and stop two burglars Friday, according to additional details from the Logan County Sheriff’s Office.

As reported in Saturday’s edition, Matthew D. Cheadle, 31, at large, and Jason T. Overholt, 34, at large, each was charged with aggravated burglary and possession of criminal tools.

They were confronted around 1:12 p.m. when a resident entered his County Road 1 home.

The resident, who has a concealed carry permit, found Mr. Overholt on the first floor and deployed his handgun on the suspect.

Once the suspect was on the floor, the resident called sheriff’s dispatchers and they, in turn, alerted patrol units.

Deputy Todd Dixon was nearby and responded.

While the deputy concentrated on handcuffing Mr. Overholt, the resident immediately went upstairs and found Mr. Cheadle. Again, he deployed his handgun and convinced the suspect to lay prone on the floor.

Deputy Dixon followed up and handcuffed the second suspect.

Bellefontaine Police Department provided a canine unit which tracked the suspects’ path to the residence. It appears the men walked from residential areas in Bellefontaine west of the home.

A vehicle most likely used by the suspects was located and seized by deputies Saturday. They have yet to obtain a search warrant for the vehicle.

At time of the arrest, both suspects were wearing masks, hooded jackets and gloves and were carrying backpacks and tools used in the break-in.

Both remain lodged in the Logan County Jail.

8 posted on 01/22/2013 7:03:02 AM PST by Deadeye Division
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