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To: Ouderkirk

I totally agree and honestly, it breaks my heart to see what has become of this country and I am only 25! However it is UKIP that is actually leading the fight back, and the fact Cameron was forced into this referendum is largely down to them. Leaving the EU will be a huge development for us and step in the right direction.

“We all understand that Britain lost WW2 and that the shame of that has ruined a great culture. I mean that in a philosophical sense, where the psyche of the UK was mortally wounded having the US rescue them from the Nazi machine,”

The above however is nonsense, and I can assure you British people do not see it that way at all, and we have enormous pride that we stood up to the Germans and were part of that victory so I’m not sure what would lead you to say such a thing. We are proud to have fought side by side with our American cousins and we certainly don’t see you as coming to our rescue even if the reality is different. World war 2 is one of our greatest triumphs we don’t see any shamee whatesoever.


14 posted on 01/25/2013 3:03:58 AM PST by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

British soldiers were among the toughest and most able in the war. However a decade of appeasement meant that the Armed Forces were completely unready when war broke out in 1939. The army was tiny (the CIGS, General Ironside, had only four divisions combat ready on September 3rd), equipment was obsolete, and the worst of all, the quality of the officers had declined.

Part of this was because WW1 had sapped the confidence and spirit of the officer class in the British Army - memories of Field Marshal Haig and the slaughter of the trenches made many feel either the army was an unworthy calling, or that the next war would only be more of the same. Consequently they became, with a few notable exceptions, conservative, unsure of themselves, and unimaginative.

So while the troops on the ground followed orders brilliantly and endured the worst the enemy could deal them and hardly ever broke, the generals were incapable of fighting a mobile, fast-thinking war with mobile reserves and deep penetrations in the same manner as the Germans. The British generals were still comfortable with overwhelming firepower and bludgeoning an enemy to death as the way to fight.

It was only after the war that the culture of the army changed for the better, and now the British Army is one of the best in quality of troops and leadership again.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 3:30:34 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: UKrepublican

How else would you explain the behavior of the UK since WW2 ?


17 posted on 01/25/2013 5:22:55 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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