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McConnell, Reid agree on rules reform package (filibusters 'mostly' intact)
Hot Air ^ | 1-24-2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 01/24/2013 10:46:56 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

Get ready for plenty of liberal howling over this outcome, because Harry Reid made the mistake of overpromising and underdelivering. Reid’s vow to use the nuclear option to get rid of the filibuster turned into only a limitation on how many filibusters the minority can stage on one issue. The filibuster otherwise lives — even for judicial appointments, although somewhat restricted:


Yes, but the filibuster still applies, and the post-cloture debate was moot anyway. The only really significant changes to the filibuster itself is that it can no longer be applied to a motion to proceed, but only to a floor vote, and that Senators must be present to filibuster. It still takes 60 votes to gain cloture, and it still means that bills — like, say, Dianne Feinstein’s assault-weapons ban – will have to gain significant Republican support to pass.

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KEYWORDS: 113th; filibuster; mcconnell; reid
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1 posted on 01/24/2013 10:47:00 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

This is good all around. The Democrats would have regretted this discision when the Republicans get the majority back someday. I think 60 votes for everything is a good thing quite frankly regardless of politics.

2 posted on 01/24/2013 10:52:30 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Sir Napsalot

Just so we don’t get delusional, nor complacent about our current GOP reps in congress, I received this in my email this morning:

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3 posted on 01/24/2013 10:53:18 AM PST by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Unless something more comes out this sounds excellent.

The important thing is to make Reid’s crazy-liberal bloc unhappy.

4 posted on 01/24/2013 10:59:29 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: All
Ed's pretty ‘optimistic’ about the Repub minority holding as one solid block.

Plenty of past experience says otherwise.

5 posted on 01/24/2013 11:07:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Senators must be present to filibuster”

How about eliminating the unanimous consent. How about “senators must be present to vote”! That would be real senate reform.

This can be fixed of course any time, if any one senator had the balls to sit on the floor and deny any unanimous consent: “objection. Call the roll.”

And to those who say this would slow down the senate...nonsense. It would actually speed it up. Watch Cspan some time and see the innumerable roll call votes for no reason but delay. Those votes could be used on (gasp) actual legislation.

6 posted on 01/24/2013 11:08:55 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: napscoordinator

If the Dems take the House in 2014, just watch how fast ol’ Harry does a 180 and wipes out the filibuster. Ain’t nothing gonna stand in the way of the Progressive Legislation Rocket Sled if that happens.

7 posted on 01/24/2013 11:16:20 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sir Napsalot

If mcconnell thought the deal was done, just wait until the lyin’ reid doesn’t get his way. He’ll use that nuclear option in a NY minute.

8 posted on 01/24/2013 11:24:14 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: cotton1706
-- Watch Cspan some time and see the innumerable roll call votes for no reason but delay. --

Those roll calls are a function of taking attendance to determine whether or not a quorum is present. Of course, the clerk reading the roll knows there is no quorum, as ZERO senators are present. But, the formality of taking roll call keeps the senate open, even though no senator is there.

When the senate does contain a quorum, the action is fairly tightly scripted, according to agreements made in the back rooms.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 11:27:32 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: napscoordinator
I think 60 votes for everything is a good thing quite frankly regardless of politics.

In "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", Heinlein has his main 'wise' character suggest that it should take 2/3 majority to pass any law - because if you can't convince 2/3 of the legislators then it might not be the right thing to impose on everyone. And Heinlein suggested that it should take only a simple majority to overturn a law - because if the majority of people (through their representatives) don't like a law, then why have it?

Works for me.
10 posted on 01/24/2013 11:37:53 AM PST by Phlyer
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To: Cboldt

I’m aware of the purpose of the quorum calls. They’re still stupid, annoying, meaningless, and should be fixed. Why would the president pro-tem at the time look out onto the floor and say “there are only three senators here including myself, under the Constitution a quorum must be present, therefore no business can be conducted” Of course they get around this by the constant call to quorum. And it’s circular and ridiculous.

In any case, unanimous consents should not be allowed unless a quorum is present. If 51 senators want to waive the reading of a bill or amendment by voice vote, that’s fine. But the calling of the yeas and nays should be the norm. Too many senators, especially republican senators who call themselves conservatives, hide behind their high ACU ratings because lots of legislation is passed by unanimous consent and cannot be attributed to any senator. It’s deceitful and dangerous.

11 posted on 01/24/2013 11:43:27 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: tickedoffnow
Jaime Herrera Beutler Member of Congress

Republican? From where?

12 posted on 01/24/2013 12:46:31 PM PST by CedarDave (Matt Damon is to natural gas fracking as Jane Fonda is to nuclear power generation.)
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