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To: CatherineofAragon

You really seem to be ignoring the need to convince Hispanic voters that conservatism is better than liberalism.

Look at what has happened to California. In a way, that is where ALL of America is going demographically....and if conservatives don’t market their point of view to that changing audience of voters it will be doomed.

I suggest all the wrist slitters here on FR wake up and smell the coffee. We have a good case—one that provides better answers than the Democrats—but it needs to be presented in a more appealing way.


81 posted on 01/28/2013 10:02:54 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
Look at what has happened to California. In a way, that is where ALL of America is going demographically....and if conservatives don’t market their point of view to that changing audience of voters it will be doomed.

I suggest all the wrist slitters here on FR wake up and smell the coffee. We have a good case—one that provides better answers than the Democrats—but it needs to be presented in a more appealing way.

You are suffering from delusion. Yes, by 2050 the US will have roughly the same demographics as California. And we will suffer the same electoral fate. The Dems are in control because the voters of CA like their message and reject ours. They favor big government and the welfare state. And why not?

Hispanics have a school drop out rate of close to 50% and the out of wedlock birth rate is also 50%. This is the social pathology for failure in our society. Immigrants and minorities are disproportionately on welfare. They want more benefits, not less.

The Republicans’ Hispanic Delusion Amnesty is not just wrong in principle, it’s bad politics.

“But Hispanics are Republicans waiting to emerge,” counter the Bush strategists. Socially conservative on homosexuality and abortion, Hispanics just need to be invited into the party by an amnesty and not scared off by immigration enforcement. This “social values” argument has been around since the early 1980s, and it’s still awaiting confirmation. The majority of Hispanics vote their perceived economic interests, rather than their social values (evangelical Hispanics may be an exception to this rule). Blacks are equally conservative on gay rights and other favorite liberal crusades, and that doesn’t affect their allegiance to the Democratic party."

Milton Friedman said that, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both. Since the 1965 Immigration Act, the die has been cast. We have drastically altered our electorate demographically. It has consequences.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million.

Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 315 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 445 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade.

Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

In 2012 Romney won about 60% of the white vote, but this was offset with Obama winning 93% of the black vote and more than 70% of the Hispanic and Asian vote. Demography is destiny.

In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2042, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

82 posted on 01/28/2013 12:21:05 PM PST by kabar
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To: SoFloFreeper
"You really seem to be ignoring the need to convince Hispanic voters that conservatism is better than liberalism.

Look at what has happened to California. In a way, that is where ALL of America is going demographically....and if conservatives don’t market their point of view to that changing audience of voters it will be doomed.

I suggest all the wrist slitters here on FR wake up and smell the coffee. We have a good case—one that provides better answers than the Democrats—but it needs to be presented in a more appealing way."

Wrist-slitters? Are they anything like purists?

Ideally, the way to reap more of the Hispanic vote would be uncompromising explanation of conservative principles. But in reality, the Hispanic population is interested not in principles, but in freebies, government benefits. You seem to be in denial about that.

In essence you're saying that the only thing left is to trash our principles and become Democrats ourselves. To win elections, we have to reward lawbreakers and welcome them as citizens, even though the resulting demographics will be the death of the country and a permanent Democrat majority. If you want to assist in that kind of thing, be my guest, but I won't. And I'm not slitting my wrists over it. God's in control....let it go where He wills.

You might want to think about where we'll end up on that slippery slope you're advocating, though. What happens when the GOP decides we need to "reach out" to the female vote by embracing abortion? I've already seen a couple of voices here at FR saying we need to shut up about abortion because we'll never win elections otherwise. The memo's been written up, but the GOP isn't sure how to implement it yet. Will you go along with that, too?

What happens when it's decided we need to reach out to sodomites? Most Republicans are already so petrified of queers that they absolutely refuse to mention the subject. Do you think it'll be long before the Republican party as a whole embraces sodomite marriage?

If that's what it takes to win elections, count me out.

84 posted on 01/28/2013 1:19:27 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: SoFloFreeper
We have a good case—one that provides better answers than the Democrats—but it needs to be presented in a more appealing way.

Good luck marketing a message of limited government, self reliance and inalienable rights to 20 million new illiterate poor non-english speaking voters.

85 posted on 01/28/2013 1:33:16 PM PST by skeeter
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