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Renowned Navy SEAL Sniper Shot Dead At Texas Gun Range
The Daily Caller ^ | 02 February 2013 | Jessica Stanton

Posted on 02/03/2013 12:57:33 AM PST by zeestephen

Chris Kyle, known as “the most lethal sniper in U.S. military history,” was reportedly shot and killed on Saturday. “Kyle was shot point-blank while helping another soldier who is recovering from PTSD.”

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; chriskyle; sniper

1 posted on 02/03/2013 12:57:39 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Nicknamed “The Devil of Ramadi” by insurgents, Kyle served four tours of duty in Iraq and had 160 confirmed kills as a sniper.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 12:59:12 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Wow. Very sad. He was trying to do a great thing and was killed as was his innocent neighbor.

The military needs to rethink this style of therapy. Clearly not safe for those helping. Case and point.

3 posted on 02/03/2013 1:01:27 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: zeestephen

That’s 160 reasons why someone would want to kill him.


4 posted on 02/03/2013 1:01:35 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: zeestephen
Wow. Very sad. He was trying to do a great thing and was killed as was his innocent neighbor.

The military needs to rethink this style of therapy. Clearly not safe for those helping. Case and point.

5 posted on 02/03/2013 1:01:49 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: zeestephen

Just occurred to me.....

Was the alleged murderer legally qualified to own a firearm after being diagnosed with PTSD?


6 posted on 02/03/2013 1:05:46 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: GOP Poet
The military needs to rethink this style of therapy. Clearly not safe for those helping. Case and point.

yes! wth??? helping someone with PTSD at the shooting range... damn...

7 posted on 02/03/2013 1:08:13 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: zeestephen

“Routh was driving Kyle’s truck at the time of his arrest “

With all the military shooters around.....how did he manage to get away?


8 posted on 02/03/2013 1:08:24 AM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: zeestephen

what is weird to me is the two victims were “found dead.” weren’t there employees around?


9 posted on 02/03/2013 1:09:58 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: zeestephen

A diagnosis of PTSD does not disqualify anyone from owning a firearm. PTSD takes many forms, including nightmares, difficulty being around other people, etc. and does not necessarily mean the sufferer is a ticking time bomb. Once such a person makes threats to harm themselves or others, then their firearms may be taken by order of a judge for safekeeping - that goes for anyone, though.


10 posted on 02/03/2013 1:11:14 AM PST by 101stAirborneVet
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Thanks, Vet.

Great explanation.


11 posted on 02/03/2013 1:15:50 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: 101stAirborneVet

I believe the idea of prohibiting a vet with PTSD from having a gun was proposed by some liberals. As you noted - the symptoms can vary greatly. And it is probably hard enough to get them to see a doctor about it already - just think if they knew their guns would be taken away how hard it would be to get help for these guys.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 1:22:37 AM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: GOP Poet

Many veterans with PTSD have no violent disposition, and are in fact disgusted by violence as they have seen so much of it. Some of those PTSD sufferers have a difficult time adapting to a civilian world where loud noises don’t necessarily mean anything. Their minds are still programmed to trigger a startle response at every “pop” or “bang”. The range helps desensitize them while simultaneously giving them something to focus their mind on (shooting a target). Since most Marines and Soldiers are proficient marksmen already, the range is a good place to do all this.

I would be surprised if SEAL Kyle was taking someone to the range who had exhibited a violent disposition or made any threatening remarks.


13 posted on 02/03/2013 1:27:36 AM PST by 101stAirborneVet
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To: 21twelve

You are correct, the liberals wanted any VA employee to be able to revoke the firearms rights of any veteran whom they thought “shouldn’t have a gun”, without any subsequent judicial hearing. I (and other gun rights advocates) oppose this because all other citizens, even those who have had mental health treatment, get a hearing before a judge either before or after their firearms are taken for safekeeping. The proposal for veterans would deprive them of due process and subject them to the whims of VA employees, without any fair hearing in the judicial system.


14 posted on 02/03/2013 1:34:00 AM PST by 101stAirborneVet
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To: shibumi

Ping


15 posted on 02/03/2013 2:29:51 AM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: zeestephen

Sad and very unusual.


16 posted on 02/03/2013 2:37:57 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: zeestephen

This is like a predictable B movie. Case to confiscate and refuse veterans guns because of mental illness. Planned????? Remove the threat, especially the well trained threat.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 2:41:18 AM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: latina4dubya

We do it all the time, HAVA helps vets to get over PTSD by taking them out to enjoy the field.
It is part of the recovery process.

http://www.honoredveterans.org/


18 posted on 02/03/2013 2:42:25 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All; Bigtigermike; Sarah Barracuda; ansel12
He was a friend of the Palins...

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and many friends of former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle tonight. Todd and I first met Chris in Pella, Iowa, when he helped out with security for the premiere of the film “The Undefeated.” And later we became friends with Chris when he was on “Stars Earn Stripes” with Todd. Chris was a wonderful man, a good friend, and a true American hero who loved our country and served honorably. He was loved and admired by so many, and he will never be forgotten.

- Todd and Sarah Palin

19 posted on 02/03/2013 2:55:57 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Hoo Boy.
Obama will play this for all its worth.


20 posted on 02/03/2013 2:59:56 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Timber Rattler

Good on Sarah for not being skeered.


21 posted on 02/03/2013 3:00:37 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 101stAirborneVet
Need to check the perps phone records. That's how most monarchs are triggered.

What is this? The 60's?

22 posted on 02/03/2013 3:51:04 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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My guess, and this is only a guess, is that this had nothing to do with PSTD, and it was personal of some nature.

Just a guess.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 4:03:13 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

My guess is this was a hit. Muslims are vindictive, well funded, well connected, and living in our cities.


24 posted on 02/03/2013 4:03:13 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: latina4dubya
weren’t there employees around?

Some small town ranges are just a range with a gate and the members know the lock combination. This happened within a 30 minute drive of where I grew up.

25 posted on 02/03/2013 4:06:14 AM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Antoninus II

Heck, there’s a town in Arkansas with a range that has no gate or anything. It’s at a city park.


26 posted on 02/03/2013 4:07:33 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

Yeah. Big city people haven’t a clue about small town America.


27 posted on 02/03/2013 4:12:41 AM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Antoninus II

This happened at the Rough Creek Lodge a very upscale hunting Lodge out of Glen Rose. We stayed there once and the room next to ours was the GHW Bush suite. Very classy place.


28 posted on 02/03/2013 4:13:43 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I grew up about 30 miles Northwest of there in Mineral Wells.


29 posted on 02/03/2013 4:22:13 AM PST by Antoninus II
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To: 101stAirborneVet; zeestephen

What you say is correct 101st.

A great friend of mine re-uped after first 911, was 6 mths shy of being too old and went to serve two tours in Iraq as a front line grunt.

He is now, according to military, 80% disabled with 60% PTSD, owns a gunshop where he sales and repairs weapons.

He is afraid the government is going to take what he has built and is probably going to close down shortly just because he is classed PTSD.


30 posted on 02/03/2013 4:25:27 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Antoninus II

Are you familiar with the Rough Creek Lodge?


31 posted on 02/03/2013 4:26:51 AM PST by Ditter
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To: 101stAirborneVet; All
Clearly 'degrees' of intrusion but 'intrusive' re-experiences of traumatic events which lack awareness of context and time is characteristic. The 'reality' in 're-experiencing the traumatic episodes; in turn; further aggravate and reinforce the trauma; a kind of 'chicken/egg' programming.

(Seems 'wisdom' might better prescribe; 'conditioning MO's' in safe environs. And not those where PTSD individual is in fact; in public 'firing space'; 'with bullet-loaded gun).

By the very definition and 'range' of PTSD symptoms; it would seem a 'calculated risk' in arming a PTSD individual - who; if he 'slips out of present reality and into his traumatic past; he would no longer recognize his current environment, as the local gun range. Rather. . .he would be; in 'truth' of his moment; in a war zone. And 'for real'; he would be armed - with gun - and dangerous.

Whatever the 'hindsight'; a terrible tragedy here with loss of life; and with a guarantee that there is even a worse suffering ahead; for the PTSD soldier/friend.

32 posted on 02/03/2013 4:37:43 AM PST by cricket (Too many Libs-at-large. They just need a home; somewhere else. . .far away.)
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To: eartick
Think it a matter of time; should Obama continue to be 'empowered'; that Conservatives; Freepers etc. et al. . .will have prohibitive 'classification'. . .From what 'Big Sis' says of 'these'; and what Obama 'thinks' of these; it could well be.

Only unrelenting 'push back' will do.

33 posted on 02/03/2013 4:45:03 AM PST by cricket (Too many Libs-at-large. They just need a home; somewhere else. . .far away.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet
IF there is any black ops in play, wouldn't one look for a functional but unstable operative to carry out a mission?

I'm too easily suseptable tin foil thought processes these days.

34 posted on 02/03/2013 4:50:37 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Don’t think for a minute a diagnosis of PTS won’t be added to the list! How else will returning servicemen be denied access to arms?

Prayers for Chris and his neighbor’s families.


35 posted on 02/03/2013 5:28:14 AM PST by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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36 posted on 02/03/2013 5:46:04 AM PST by deport
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To: demshateGod
My guess is this was a hit. Muslims are vindictive, well funded, well connected, and living in our cities.

Have to agree. Someone put him up to it. He wouldn't just shoot the guy who was trying to help him. However, the media will NOT look into this, of course. Or, it was personal.

37 posted on 02/03/2013 6:10:57 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Something tells me your right. It is the media that is telling us this is PTSD yet we don’t know for sure. The same media that is protecting that POS in the White Hut is telling us this. I can’t put my finger on it but something is just not right.


38 posted on 02/03/2013 6:18:54 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Patriot Babe
Ecclesiastes 9:11 I again saw under the sun that the race is not to the swift, and the battle is not to the warriors, and neither is bread to the wise, nor wealth to the discerning, nor favor to men of ability; for time and chance overtake them all.

Time for public hangings to be reinstated.

39 posted on 02/03/2013 6:21:46 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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In all, he was awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals.

“I don’t care about the medals,” Kyle told the Star-Telegram in a 2012 interview. “I didn’t do it for the money or the awards. I did it because I felt like it was something that needed to be done and it was honorable. I loved the guys.”

A member of SEAL Team 3, Kyle picked off his targets from rooftops or windows of abandoned buildings during the 2003 war against Iraq, which toppled the Saddam Hussein regime. Primarily serving as a sniper and wounded twice, he provided “overwatch” protection for Marines and other U.S. troops and earned a reputation for his proficiency.

Most shots ranged from 200 to 1,200 yards. His longest, most remarkable kill — from 1.2 miles away — took out an insurgent aiming a rocket launcher at an approaching Army convoy.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02/02/4595767/top-navy-seal-sniper-killed-on.html#storylink=cpy


40 posted on 02/03/2013 6:32:55 AM PST by deport
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To: zeestephen

Seems that there was an explanation for this even before the shooter was caught. Were there witnesses?


41 posted on 02/03/2013 6:40:01 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: ElayneJ

I think the shooter’s girlfriend was there and she was arrested too.


42 posted on 02/03/2013 8:39:09 AM PST by virgil
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To: zeestephen

Killed by another vet. Sad. Libs are ecstatic about this for two reasons.

1) He was killed.

2) They’re saying that despite him and others having guns, they couldn’t stop the shooter from killing him. They think that puts to rest the argument that armed people can protect themselves or other people.


43 posted on 02/03/2013 8:58:12 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Ditter
Are you familiar with the Rough Creek Lodge?

No. I grew up about 30 minutes North of there. But I was just a common working man. Spent my time at Brazos River Gun Club West of town or out on other people's property there. The term "resort" never crossed my mind.

44 posted on 02/09/2013 8:21:12 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Antoninus II

I doubt if it was there when you grew up.


45 posted on 02/10/2013 6:22:02 AM PST by Ditter
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