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Goodbye, Prius? Japanese carmakers drop battery electric-car development
The Washington Times ^ | February 4, 2013 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 02/04/2013 10:41:56 AM PST by jazusamo

Japan is backtracking on battery electric-car development, as even Nissan’s vice chairman, the so-called “father of the Prius,” announced plans to copy Toyota and pursue fuel-cell cars that convert hydrogen to electricity.

“Because of its shortcomings — driving range, cost and recharging time — the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars,” said Nissan’s vice chairman, Takeshi Uchiyamada,..

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: automakers; electricvehicles; failedgreen; fuelcell; nissan; prius; toyota
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To: Jagman
Explain how the vice-chairman of Nissan can be the father of Toyota’s Prius? Great reporting.

And Honda is doing very well with their prototype fuel cell car in California

21 posted on 02/04/2013 11:29:34 AM PST by khenrich (These days, people pine for Jimmy Carter........)
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To: Covenantor

Its amazing to me that people are confusing “all electric” cars to Hybrid cars. A Hybrid Prius has a gasoline motor and an electric motor that alternate depending on demand....it is not an all electric car. Toyota has no plans of dropping the Prius (which is selling very well).

I drive a Prius-C and an Audi Q5. I like them both....but I am averaging 47 miles per gallon in my little Prius, and that makes me very happy.


22 posted on 02/04/2013 11:30:57 AM PST by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: cuban leaf

I did!


23 posted on 02/04/2013 11:32:08 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: cuban leaf

Sandra Fluke?


24 posted on 02/04/2013 11:32:14 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: reg45

I did!


How was its resale value?


25 posted on 02/04/2013 11:36:54 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jazusamo
Follow? General Motors demonstrated a fuel cell vehicle in 1966.
26 posted on 02/04/2013 11:37:48 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Red Badger

Erectlic lide no good, Yankee. Get a crue...

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-natural-gas/


27 posted on 02/04/2013 11:40:10 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: AppyPappy

IIRC, the diesel drives a generator which in turn drives an a.c. motor. The reason being that at low rpm’s an electric motor produces much more torque.


28 posted on 02/04/2013 11:40:55 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Fred911

“Its amazing to me that people are confusing “all electric” cars to Hybrid cars. A Hybrid Prius has a gasoline motor and an electric motor that alternate depending on demand....it is not an all electric car. Toyota has no plans of dropping the Prius (which is selling very well).

I drive a Prius-C and an Audi Q5. I like them both....but I am averaging 47 miles per gallon in my little Prius, and that makes me very happy.”

Even the Volt isn’t all electric. It has a gasoline motor. It’s a hybrid that relies more on it’s electrical side.

My reservations about hybrids are:

Cost of battery replacement.
Initial high cost vs. gas savings over the life of the vehicle. (ROI).
Environmental and energy costs of producing the battery packs.


29 posted on 02/04/2013 11:41:06 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: reg45

Yep, I wish I owned the one that was made, it’d be quite a collectors item:)


30 posted on 02/04/2013 11:44:15 AM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: cuban leaf

I’m still driving it. I bought a used 2007 Honda Accord Hybrid in 2009. Still less than 70K miles on it.


31 posted on 02/04/2013 11:44:57 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: jazusamo

What idiot wrote this article and headline? Its not about the Prius or other hybrids, it about all electric cars. Also, the “grandfather of the Prius” does not work for Nissan, sheesh.


32 posted on 02/04/2013 11:56:58 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: reg45

I mean, did you get a good deal?


33 posted on 02/04/2013 11:58:33 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Iron Munro
A fact which every halfway knowledgeable person knew without having to invest several hundred billion dollars to experiment.

A pompous brother-in-law of mine, bet me $100 in 2009 that gasoline powered cars would disappear in five years, and that most cars would be electric powered. One more year, and I collect on the bet! Of course, he's a liberal asshat so he'll just lie to squirm out of paying. He's an idiot, and proves your point (not even halfway knowledgeable). He invested heavily in solar panels among other green things and lost big, which makes me smirk at him.

34 posted on 02/04/2013 12:00:25 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Jagman

Toyota doesn’t make a pure electric vehicle like the Nissan Leaf. A hybrid is not the same vehicle as a pure electric. There is no “lack of range” for a Prius. It has a gas engine as well as an electric motor


35 posted on 02/04/2013 12:08:07 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: jazusamo
Years ago our school was given a grant ($12,000 plus local business donations) to convert a conventional car to an electric (battery) powered pure electric car. We used a lead acid battery set (96V) and a 100VDC motor.

The thing was an eye opener:

On the plus side it had acceleration like a scalded cat. It also had a pretty high peak speed for dashes.

On the negative side, we added nearly 1,000 pounds to the curb weight because of the battery set.

It had a max range of about 12 miles then took 20 hours to recharge.

The 96 VDC systems were prone to failure with lots of thermal problems.

Environmentally, it was a disaster. We had to constantly dispose of the lead acid batteries IAW EPA regulations. The energy to charge the battery still derived directly from commercial power so we used fossil fuels, nuclear power and LNG generated electricity

Early on, we saw that a hybrid system or fuel cell system was going to be much more feasible, reliable and economical.

The distressing part, to me, was that we told our sponsors (DOE, DOT and EPA) of these innovations and the shortcomings of a pure battery drive and they refused to allow us to improve any technology as we learned, at risk losing the grant money.

After three years, I pulled the plug on our project. It was going nowhere in terms of technology beyond being a large equivalent to an RC car.

Seeing the way the government still throws money into the battery powered car pit, I see nothing has really changed. I'm glad the manufacturers are exercising their right to opt out of this lunacy. They have to deal with reality to stay in business.

36 posted on 02/04/2013 12:17:25 PM PST by pfflier
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To: jazusamo

             

37 posted on 02/04/2013 12:54:17 PM PST by tomkat
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To: jiggyboy

I hear a lot of people downing the Prius, but I love mine. I have a horrendous commute — it was, at one point, six hours a day on the road (necessity — had to travel where the work was). My Prius has been a real life saver in the gas department. I really like my car. $10,000 battery down the road? I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now, it’s making it possible for me to get to work.


38 posted on 02/04/2013 1:03:03 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: cuban leaf

On the 2007 Accord, Honda’s hybrid system is a dissapointment when compared with Toyota or Ford. The new system on the 2013 Honda’s is much better. Unfortunately, their new plug-in Accord Hybrid - the car that the Volt wanted to be - is only available currently in California and New York.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 1:15:52 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: freepertoo
If you have a lot of stop and go driving to do, then it might make economic sense. At this point, most of my driving is highway miles, so I am looking there (diesel is great on the highway). Not sure which way I will go. I'd only buy if it makes economic sense. I think the good news for Hybrid owners in the future is that since they are selling so well, the economies of scale should bring the estimated price of replacement batteries considerably.
40 posted on 02/04/2013 1:39:17 PM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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