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When Can the U.S. Kill One of Its Own?
NY TIMES ^ | 02/06/2013

Posted on 02/06/2013 11:39:15 AM PST by Phlap

A Justice Department white paper, obtained by NBC News, states that it is lawful to kill a United States citizen if “an informed, high-level” government official decides that the target is a ranking Al Qaeda figure who poses “an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States.”

What standards must be met for the government to assassinate an American citizen? And does this deprive U.S. citizens of their constitutionally protected due process rights?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bhogwot; counterterrorism; jihadinamerica
So, imagine that Bush is still President. The Times would be screaming for his head. The hyprocisy is stagering.
1 posted on 02/06/2013 11:39:24 AM PST by Phlap
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To: Phlap
This move does bother me. Sounds like something the Russians would do.
2 posted on 02/06/2013 11:42:33 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Phlap

Phlap ~: (from the title) ~ “When Can the U.S. Kill One of Its Own? “

When the President says so !!
After all that he has done , he has shown himself to be above the “Law of the Land”.
Who to complain to ? ... Holder ? /sarc


3 posted on 02/06/2013 11:42:43 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (" Our enemies no longer fear us, our friends no longer trust us " .. Why would they ?)
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To: Phlap

The US government targeting US citizens, targeting foreign nationals without a declaration of war, and violating national sovereignty is against everything I learned in school about our republic and our Constitution.

Each day our imperial President and our stupid, corrupt legislators strike another blow for tyranny.


4 posted on 02/06/2013 11:45:51 AM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

” ...Due Process and Judicial process are not one and the same,
particularly when it comes to national security.
The Constitution guarantees due process , it does not guarantee Judicial process . “ ~ Eric holder


5 posted on 02/06/2013 11:46:33 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (" Our enemies no longer fear us, our friends no longer trust us " .. Why would they ?)
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To: Phlap

How long will it be before some government hack decides to “off” an annoying fellow American by declaring that poor soul “an enemy of the state”?


6 posted on 02/06/2013 11:49:13 AM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Phlap

“an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States.”

Bill Ayers?


7 posted on 02/06/2013 11:51:56 AM PST by running_dog_lackey
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

” ...Due Process and Judicial process are not one and the same,
particularly when it comes to national security.
The Constitution guarantees due process , it does not guarantee Judicial process . “ ~ Eric holder

So says the Mexican Drug Lord gun runner extraordinaire.


8 posted on 02/06/2013 11:52:33 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Phlap

Bottom line? As long as Obama is president it doesn’t matter. He can authorize the assasination of any American he wants, in any multiples he wants. The corrupt NYTimes and media will run interference for him.

We now have the tyranny our founding fathers warned us of.


9 posted on 02/06/2013 11:52:38 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: Phlap

***And does this deprive U.S. citizens of their constitutionally protected due process rights?***

Surely you jest.

The Consitution, and by extension our Bill of Rights, have been rendered meaningless for some time now.


10 posted on 02/06/2013 11:54:21 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: Phlap

I have it on good authority that George Soros and Warren Buffet are al-Qaeda operatives.


11 posted on 02/06/2013 11:58:28 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: Phlap
So, let's propose this scenario.

We now know that the CIA and other agencies monitor social media sites and likely other sites as well.

I post some comments that are misconstrued, intentionally or otherwise, by any one of these agencies.

As a result Holder now authorizes that drones equipped with infrared imaging and other high tech imaging scans my place of residence. Now, first off, who would even know that they are flying drones over my house scanning images and invading my civil liberties?

Second, what if they decide they find some image they don't know or like? Do I become the recipient of hellfire missiles? Does the SWAT team kick in my door, shoot my dog and ransack my house at 3 a.m.?

We are in the midst of tyranny.

12 posted on 02/06/2013 12:00:44 PM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: Phlap

When it is necessary or in the best interest of the country?


13 posted on 02/06/2013 12:00:44 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: WKUHilltopper

WKUHilltopper

” ...Due Process and Judicial process are not one and the same,
particularly when it comes to national security.
The Constitution guarantees due process , it does not guarantee Judicial process . “ ~ Eric Holder

I saw this statement by Holder on U-tube, and couldn’t believe it !
I replayed it three times to really believe that he said this
And this is the man who swore to uphold the Constitution ,
whose job it is to protecting citizens’ civil and legal rights ?
No wonder the U.S. is turning upside-down !


14 posted on 02/06/2013 12:01:28 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (" Our enemies no longer fear us, our friends no longer trust us " .. Why would they ?)
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To: Phlap
Let's not forget that the Obama administration considers constitutionalists, veterans, Bitter Clingers and other conservatives all to be potential terror threats.

How soon before they decide they have the authority to start using drones to take out political enemies potential terror threats right here in Obama's 57 states?

We all know that once a leftist has the potential and the tools to do some skullduggery they cannot resist the urge to do it.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 12:02:00 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I know...this statement absolutely shocking! We’re headed for a tyrannical world of hurt in this so-called “land of the free”. This ain’t our grandpappy’s America!


16 posted on 02/06/2013 12:03:28 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Phlap

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17 posted on 02/06/2013 12:05:45 PM PST by Captain PJ (Are we there yet?)
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To: Captain PJ

I don’t get it. Was that satire? It didn’t seem like satire to me.

/s


18 posted on 02/06/2013 12:11:57 PM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: Phlap
Exactly. So the answer to the question in the headline would be; "Anytime time they friggin want to."

After all...who would report on it with the Obama Regime in power? Who indeed?

They seem to use "Nothing to see here, move along" as their missive to all the Lefty Liberal MSM outlets.

19 posted on 02/06/2013 12:15:45 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: stuartcr

stuartcr ~:” When it is necessary or in the best interest of the country? “

Not stated , or limited to the best interests of the country !

How about declaring certain organizations, or persons as “Enemies of the State “
Such as : NRA , “Tea Party” , Second Amendment supporters, Republicans , etc., ..ad infinitum , ad noseaum ...
Without Juris Prudence and Judicial Process ,
where are the limitations ?
This opens up a whole new issue , and without Judicial Process , it is conceiveably possible to eliminate any opposition to the current regieme.
We already have a US Attourney General who says that Judicial process can be overlooked
for due process ( think administrative hearings, kangaroo courts , etc.)


20 posted on 02/06/2013 12:15:53 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (" Our enemies no longer fear us, our friends no longer trust us " .. Why would they ?)
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To: Phlap

“...it is lawful to kill a United States citizen if “an informed, high-level” government official decides that the target is a ranking Al Qaeda figure”.

...”high-level”? “informed”? “official”? According to whom? In what context? What amendment of the constitution allows this? They don’t get any more “high-level” than the president and HE’S not allowed to do this!


21 posted on 02/06/2013 12:22:27 PM PST by albie (`)
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To: July4
How long will it be before some government hack decides to “off” an annoying fellow American by declaring that poor soul “an enemy of the state”?

My sense is soon , at the rate our monarchy is taking power.

22 posted on 02/06/2013 12:30:06 PM PST by llevrok (Unlike Obama, at least Nero could play a fiddle.)
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To: July4

Gutless Old Party members and SCOTUS judges had better check the assassination list and see if their names appear on it.


23 posted on 02/06/2013 12:35:19 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: July4
How long will it be before some government hack decides to “off” an annoying fellow American by declaring that poor soul “an enemy of the state”?

What makes you think that isn't happing already?

24 posted on 02/06/2013 12:41:13 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: albie
They don’t get any more “high-level” than the president and HE’S not allowed to do this!

He isn't? Says who?

25 posted on 02/06/2013 12:44:21 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Phlap
Evidently, the NY Times rewriting history again leaves out the fact that the US government has already murdered many of its own, e.g. WACO, Ruby Ridge, etc. What more proof of this out of control government does the NY Times need? I guess, if you have your head so far up the ass of this socialist fascist in support of his communist policies, one cannot see the truth, instead relies upon what is fed to the NY times and approved for release to the moochers in this Nation by this communist administration!

Eight Deuce on the loose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26 posted on 02/06/2013 12:56:02 PM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Yes


27 posted on 02/06/2013 12:58:58 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Phlap
So, imagine that Bush is still President. The Times would be screaming for his head.

And hordes of freepers would be cheering him on.

28 posted on 02/06/2013 1:27:42 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

>>How about declaring certain organizations, or persons as “Enemies of the State “<<

It’s coming. Remember that Bill Ayres once promised he’d do his best to kill 25 million conservatives to make way for his communist Utopia. And Obozo is one of his best friends.


29 posted on 02/06/2013 1:57:22 PM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: Romulus

Sometimes a President has to do what he has to do. Bush did what he had to do but was beat up for it by the Times, the media(even, at times Fox)and the left in general. I don’t hear any noise from them on this issue. Obama and any democrat get a pass. Republicans get kicked.


30 posted on 02/06/2013 3:02:04 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Phlap

“When can the US kill one of its own?”

Apparently anytime Barrys says so.


31 posted on 02/06/2013 4:24:46 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Phlap

When King Obama points his scepter.


32 posted on 02/06/2013 4:28:00 PM PST by jwalsh07
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It is o.k. for the President to order the assassination of U.S. citizens, just whatever you do don’t water board terrorists for information.


33 posted on 02/06/2013 4:39:43 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Phlap

If Bush were president today, he’d be doing everything Obama is, and you’d be lovin and you’d be loving it.


34 posted on 02/06/2013 6:13:55 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

” ...Due Process and Judicial process are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security.
The Constitution guarantees due process , it does not guarantee Judicial process . “ ~ Eric holder

So... Due process is what? A coin flip? A wave of the imperial hand?

CC


35 posted on 02/06/2013 8:56:41 PM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: Phlap

Stunning isn’t it? A few soldiers put some underwear on an Islamists head and we heard about it for months.


36 posted on 02/06/2013 9:04:04 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Romulus

My point is the double standard of the left and the media. They rationalize and justify Barry but want W charged as a war criminal.


37 posted on 02/07/2013 6:39:22 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Romulus
In the end analysis, the President is not above the law, he is the law, the Constitution, the congress and the courts be dammed.
38 posted on 02/07/2013 6:45:11 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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