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Posted on 02/11/2013 8:39:36 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
Seems to be they at least think so. I find it interesting that the taxpayers fund the government, but have little to no say over the use of the property “we” own....
And I surely do not think that a bunch of congress critters who may have little knowledge of property management should have a say without our input of how our resources should be used...
"Ve vere only followink orders."
Not a very good defense, as many an obedient SS-mann would have told you if you'd asked him before he swung from a rope.
I remember hearing that bigears and the moooooch walked the accumulation parade route until they got to the Free Speech Zone. Then they got in the car and rode the rest of the way.
Yep, no argument from me. So, did she stay or did she go to the "zone"?
Not my favorite fort...just saying.
European city of St. Augustine was founded by the admiral Pedro Menéndez de Avilés who is responsible for and did massacred the first wave of Huguenot Christians in America.
Like in the movie The Pianist, the “zone” gets smaller and smaller.
I worry about this dynamic every single day.
The courts upheld the decision because technically, they aren’t telling you that can’t express yourself.. They are telling you that you can’t express yourself _right there_. Same with permits.
They haven’t removed your right to free speech - they just added some extra steps.
When it comes to gun control, the argument is same. If they were to make all guns illegal - except one single shot blackpowder model, and then told you that you could only shoot it at a single approved range in each state - They aren’t technically taking away guns, and they aren’t technically removing your right to shoot one. They are putting up barriers and adding extra steps.
This is how they have gotten away with what they have in the way of gun control to date : They aren’t telling people they can’t own and carry a weapon. They are making it damned near impossible to do it. Which is close, but not exactly, banning. You can own and carry a firearm in NYC for instance - But it’s so damned tough to do so that it’s “Basically” not going to happen.
They can, and will do this for the entire nation.
What we need to press on with is the notion of “Shall not be infringed” then we need to update the term “infringed”. Our second amendment has already been “Infringed” and we never made a stink about it. Since the 30’s full-auto ban - it’s been infringed.
According to the constitution, if I can afford a SAM site - I have every RIGHT to buy and deploy one. That’s not a privilege, it’s my RIGHT.
There are still rules in public parks, public grounds, public roads, etc. They still have to be managed, you still need permits and such to have a protest. Just because it’s a park doesn’t mean you can just do anything you want, anytime you want. Thousands of lefties thought it was their free speech to protest in public parks by camping and refusing to leave. They were wrong. Fortunately most courts ruled against the occutards and eventually threw them out.
OK, so you agree that it is unconstitutional to hand out copies of the US Constitution on federal parklands? What?!?!
Will these new free speech zones be target zones for hussein’s new civil army?
I'm saying you can't dress up and leaflet anywhere you want in public parks. That's essentially what these folks were doing. Some parks have rules that allow for it, others don't. Would I be happy if the parks made exemptions for these patriots and other groups I happen to support? Sure. Do I expect that to happen? No. Parks have rules. The fact that these people can't do their thing anywhere, anytime they want in a public park does not mean we are losing our freedoms.
And in fact that's one of the tests of government restriction of speech. If they allowed some and not others, they'd be in violation of the First Amendment, but by restricting all speech they're not.
Poor guy. He is the same one who always tells my little girls they aren’t allowed to play in the enormous live oaks. He is handsome, polite and sweet.
“They’re trees. My girls like to climb trees at the park,” I tell him. Then he proceeds to ask me again to tell them to come down.
Federal government SUCKS. And not just because they don’t let my girls in their trees. :)
if you need a permit to exercise your ‘right’... it’s not a right.
be it free speech ... or buying a gun.
rights cannot be taken away by govt, as they never gave them in the first place. rights can only be denied.
which makes you wonder what ‘shall not be infringed’ means... without the teeth (civil penalty) to back it up.
It was a 1st amendment free zone? Was it a 2nd amendment free zone also, no guns allowed?
BFL. Freedom is seldom taken all in one grand stroke. It is chipped away, piece by piece, one little sliver at a time.
The First Amendment pretty well guarantees that people will be offended at some point or another. While I understand your disinterest in the Hari Krishna who you may (though not likely) encounter walking Pickett’s Charge (and it still takes my breath away), no where in the first amendment is there a guarantee that you will never hear what displeases you
I get it that whether a government agency or office or a private office or private commercial area, those in charge can control where the public is free to go and where it is not.
But if the public is free to go somewhere and that somewhere is public property not private property, it is difficult to understand how the same area can be free to go to but not free to speak in.
The permanent government increasingly realizes it is in charge and we are not.
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