Why Mormonism will Surrender to Homosexuality

Renew America ^ | Feb. 13, 2013 | Linda Kimball

[CatherineofAragon]

Some guys might prefer that over dealing with more than one wife, LOL....

[fattigermaster]

Are Southern Baptists teaching that God was once a human and that He physically impregnated Mary? That’s so blasphemous I hate to type it). Or that Jesus and Satan are brothers? Or that Baptists will become ittle gods when they die and inherit their own planets?

Mormons also state that Jesus Christ came to Earth three times and each time His message was unsuccessful, whereas Joseph Smith succeeded where Jesus Christ failed. When you become a "god", it is with Joseph Smith sitting at the judgement seat with Jesus as a subordinate at his right hand. Everyone who's lived a perfect life on Earth, but didn't embrace mormonism, becomes servants, i.e. slaves, of mormon gods in the afterlife, and the magic ritual of baptizing dead people is supposed to guarantee not only that they are "saved" to a higher level in the hereafter, but to increase your retinue of personal slaves when you become a "god".

I could go on be I don't need to start my day reminiscing about life in that cult.

[JCBreckenridge]

Then precisely how is your comment referencing Southern Baptists relevant?

[Elsie]

Wow, going straight for the personal attack right out of the gate.

Yeah; ya did!

Gee, yet another Mormonism-bashing thread.

5 posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:59:59 AM by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)

I'd think; with a tagline like yours; you'd have a mission to expose FALSE teaching - not one to REBUKE those that do...

[CatherineofAragon]

Well, you make a good point about those opposing socialism and Islamism.

But the Mormon threads are part of the Religion forum. If you can’t call out a false doctrine there, where CAN you do it?

And I can think of at least one Mormon who promoted socialism. He ran for prez last fall.

[Elsie]

Amazing. btw, my reaction was based solely upon the high volume of threads on this board impugning Mormonism.

I just HATE it when one religion impugns another...

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[wolfman23601]

“As far as I’m concerned, if somebody is engaged in opposing socialism and Islamism, then he is my brother, without regard for his religious beliefs (or lack thereof).”

Bingo. In a state with freedom of religion, in which we all want to retain freedom of religion, infighting among the religions serves no positive purpose. Jews, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Mormons, and Evangelicals share common enemies: Islam and activist atheism. While I, as a Catholic, have many theological disagreements with Mormons, Jews, Evangelicals, and to a lesser degree Orthodox and main line Protestants, I have never and do not see them as enemies, but allies.

[Elsie]

Is that Mountain Meadows? in 1857?

[CatherineofAragon]

Yep, I know the basics of their doctrine and not much more....there’s a lot to keep up with.

[Elsie]

I was simply pointing out the double-standard.

Ah...

Then I await your comments on the tactics of MORMONism...

[Hoodat]

But Mormonism is not Christianity, no matter how much some might want it to be, or teach that it is.

Wouldn't that depend on whose definition of Christianity you are using?

[HangnJudge]

I predict that within 20 years
nearly all of Chrisendom will bow down to the homo’s

I predict that Satan will weave His “Spirit of the Age”
to confuse and thwart God's Children,

That God will respond with another Miracle and Message
that we cannot predict or understand in advance.

As it has in the Past, many times

Live in Peace, Live in Victory
Know that there is also Love in this World
Know from Whom ALL Love Comes

[Tennessee Nana]

“It is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and suppose that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did... Here then, is eternal life – to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priest to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one. . . . (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-47
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and we are expected to agree that the early Mormons drank the Koolade Joey Smith was pouring out...

the guys werent there because of the paganism of Smith...

They were there for the girls and the chance at institutional piracy.....

Smith was Bluebeard not Buddah...

The girls ???

Well many were there because they fell for a pretty line...

If they had been asked whether they wanted to leave England and go to Nauvoo or the Utah territory to be an extra “wife” to the Mormon “missionary” who was pressing them, and not his beloved legal wife, their fathers would have shot the trash mouth and not sent their innocent daughters off with lustful wolves...

Polygamy was not only illegal in both the US and England, it was also anathema to Christianity...

God said “Thou shalt not commit adultery” but to the Mormon males that was just one more commandment in the Christian Bible to disobay and mock...

few Mormon women accepted the evils of polygamy, it was so unnatural and painful emotionally and psychologically...it was distructive but the Mormon women were bullied and forced into a life of horror and “sacred loneliness”

God never intended for his daughters to be abused by such an unGodly system but the women in Mormonism were so outnumbered by the Mormon males that they were prisoners by group think under the control of of Joey Smith and before the theocratic dictatorship of Briggie Young, and prisoners indeed once BY got them into the Salt Lake Valley..

Will the Mormons embrace homosexuality ???

Of course...

Its the most direct path back to their roots...polygamy..AKA bigamy..

Its been nearly 70 years since the Mormons had an openly polygamous “prophet and president” ...

Heber Grant the last one living in polygamy died in 1945 still “married” at that time to one of his several extra women ..

Polygamy is called “living the principle” by Mormons...

Joey Smith claimed that only Mormon males who had extra women went to the Mormon afterlife as “gods”

Mormonism at its beginnings was based around illict sex and the filth of polygamy and not the Righteousness of God and His Commandments...

[Elsie]

Would love to know from LDS why they think homosexuality is ok, but polygamy is wrong when their book says expressly the opposite.

Perhaps some words from MORMON, Inc. will shed some light upon your questioning...

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[TalonDJ]

I think that concept is embedded in some old document this country used to pay attention to.

There isn't a darn thing in the founding documents that implies evangelism should not be done.

Here’s a radical idea: Pick a church YOU like, and go there.

In order to 'pick' it is important to know what they teach. It is also important so you know what your neighbors believe. I thought the article was a nicely researched and detailed.

[Elsie]

Mormons are not generally characterized as promoters of socialism.

Oh?

United Order

[PapaBear3625]

And I can think of at least one Mormon who promoted socialism. He ran for prez last fall.

And I would oppose him on the basis of his being a socialist (or at least a RINO), rather than his being a Mormon. When a religion is predominantly about suppressing personal freedom (like Islam, Scientology, or a few others), then I will oppose that religion. When it's just about a few individuals who happen to be Lefties, then I will oppose those individuals.

[Elsie]

Conservatism is not advanced nor benefited by in-fighting among conservatives on the basis of religion.

Christianity is not advanced nor benefited by in-fighting among conservatives on the basis of politics.

[Elsie]

I may find myself corrected, but I don't think Jim wants it to be reduced to a name-calling religious forum, where Evangelicals bash Mormons and Catholics, others bash Jews, etc.

I'm sure you will be!

[Elsie]

Fergit the wife - what ‘bout them thar MOTHERS-in-law???