Posted on 02/13/2013 11:39:10 AM PST by libstripper
Charred human remains have been found in the burned cabin where police believe fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was holed up after trading gunfire with law enforcement, authorities said.
If the body is identified to be Dorner’s, the standoff would end a weeklong manhunt for the ex-LAPD officer and Navy Reserve lieutenant who is believed to be responsible for a string of revenge-fueled shootings following his firing by the Los Angeles Police Department several years ago. Four people have died, allegedly at Dorner’s hands.
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Correct, absolutely none. That is why no one is seeing any similarity to it. None what-so-ever. Nothing in common.
BIG BEAR LAKE — Faced with regular barrages of gunfire, officers confronting suspected killer Christopher Dorner lobbed incendiary tear gas into the cabin where he was believed to be holed up.
That’s the latest word from law enforcement officials with knowledge of the situation, the Los Angeles Times reports.
[snip]
Law enforcement sources said the officers got into several gun battles with Dorner during nearly four-hour siege at the cabin in the Big Bear area.
The standoff began with Dorner allegedly fatally shot a San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy and seriously injured another.
SWAT officers surrounding the cabin were under a “constant barrage of gunfire,” one source said.
“He put himself in that position. There weren’t a lot of options,” the source said.
Hoping to end the standoff, law enforcement authorities first lobbed “traditional” tear gas into the cabin.
When that did not work, they opted to use CS gas canisters, which are known in law enforcement parlance as incendiary tear gas. These canisters have significantly more chance of starting a fire.
Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/02/13/incendiary-tear-gas-reportedly-used-on-dorner-cabin/#ixzz2KoiW0rHw
Sure adds context to this story. He wasn't just sitting in the cabin doing nothing but waiting. He was shooting at the cops outside.
Yes. In fact I do. In case you haven't noticed, it's part of their job. They are to ENFORCE the law. You know, "Innocent until proven guilty." Not take justice into their own hands.
The fact you can't see this or don't care kind of scares me.
And yes, I would feel the same way if it were a member of my family that had been killed...
The job of the police isn't to protect people, and they will tell you that. They're job is to collect evidence and apprehend suspects - that's it.
This is why it is an outrage in Chicago that the police will no longer respond to burglaries. Their job is to do nothing less.
Protecting people is the job of your head of household. He or she is directly responsible for that.
The Feds are there to protect the border, and the national security.
As such, when cops go into ‘shoot first’ mode, or ‘let's burn the house down’ mode, it causes otherwise lawful people to start looking at the Police as another threat, and not a ‘protector of the people’.
To the extent that the credible risk of capture exceeds the benefit of committing a crime, that is the extent to which a police force can provide an individual protection, and no further.
For the risks they take in creating that deterrent for legitimate criminals, that is what deserves respect.
But it is important to shoot up newspaper delivery ladies, from behind, with no warning.
They have thermo-imaging equipment that can penetrate walls.
See post 142. Dorner was shooting at them. Repeatedly.
I do not condone the horrid acts that Dorner commited, but since when does law enforcement have the right to torch some citizens private property (arson) in the middle of the woods,no less?
AH! So that's why news choppers were kept 5 miles away! Silly me, I believed them when they said it was to keep him from watching the news feeds on cable!
You know, “Innocent until proven guilty.”
PRESUMED innocent in a COURT OF LAW. If you were innocent until proven guilty, you would never be arrested for anything because you are presumed to be innocent. Duh.
If a guy is shooting up a school, the cops don’t presume he is innocent of the crime.
An interactive map of botched SWAT and paramilitary police raids
They had him surrounded.
They weren't sure that he didn't have hostages.
They weren't 100% sure it was Dorner.
They could have waited him out. He had no electricity, no water, probably not much food. With every round fired from his weapon, he has one less bullet. Eventually he would run out of ammo.
He was contained. Not a threat to the public. Just the to the police that were there, and the prestitutes.
The police had an ax to grind with this guy. Regardless of how you "FEEL" things should go down, there is protocol, laws that have to be followed.
In this instance, this was not the case and the police responsible are just as guilty of committing murder as Dorner allegedly was.
I am by no means defending Dorner. I AM however defending our RULE OF LAW. I hope you and all that read this understand that...
The ... person ... in ... the ... cabin ... was ... shooting ... at ... them. Repeatedly.
If you can spin that away, there is no further point in discussing this.
Eventually he would run out of ammo.
And how many more cops would have to die in the meantime to satisfy your warped sense of due process? It sure is easy for you to demand that they put their asses on the line. It ain't yours being shot at.
Hmmm? They were pretty trigger happy whenever they saw a truck that might have had him on board.
Why did they t-bone that black truck and shoot at the skinny white driver?
What, exactly did you believe the intent was when they emptied 50+ rounds at those two newspaper delivery ladies?
Was this an attempt to give them a traffic citation, or to kill whoever was in the truck, in the belief that it might be Dorner, and with no concern that he might have a hostage on board?
Make no mistake. They wanted him dead dead dead, and they didn't give a tinker's damn if anyone else died in the crossfire.
The young murdered father - and the other victims are the people I care about too. Too hell with the cold blooded killer Dorner....
“Could Admin Moderator please inform us why anything associated with Alex Jones gets removed? Is there a FR page where banned sites, and WHY they are banned, are listed?”
From what I know and have read on other threads, Alex Jones and infowars is a well known truther and conspiracy nut. He goes off the rail on numerous issues and news articles. He has an agenda that I’m sure they don’t want or welcome here on FR. Hard to appear rational when you repeat the rantings of a known nut.
I could be wrong in that. But it appears that might be a reason.
Cops acting as judge, jury and executioner...THAT is what we should be discussing (Dorner was a monster, a lefty-loon and a killer - allegedly)
WHERE is the screeching about LAPD shooting innocent citizens in their zeal to kill Dorner?
Make no mistake - their behaviour prior to the Big Bear Roast leads to no other conclusion than they were going to kill Dorner no matter what, and no newspaper-delivering geezer gals or surfer-dudes were going to stand in the way.
And why are they doing DNA tests on the bucket of extra-crispy retrieved from the BB cabin? I don’t care what happened, as a LEO, you don’t go on a fry-fest unless you are 1000% sure.
That alone should scare the crap out of everyone.
So, who’s next on the kill list? And should the next person hope they get shot instead of burned alive?
Everyone is brave when someone else’s life is on the line.
“Why didn’t the police knock on the door and ask him to come out to talk to them? Buncha cowards.”
If he had shot down that chopper while the cops waited to talk to him, the cop haters would be calling them impotent and incompetent.
“Why didn’t they burn him out instead of standing around with their thumb up their azz?”.
I’m surprised no one has complained about the lack of a warrant.
But they were 100% sure that it was someone who was continuing to shoot at them and had already sent two other officers to the hospital.
They didn't kill him. He committed suicide rather than surrender to the police.
Reports were that Fish & Game guys stopped him first. Later the deputy was shoot.
HERE is my post from yesterday based upon what I heard on the scanner website:
Scanner: All units, do NOT fire unless you see something coming FROM the house.
Someone else noted the same call on the radio. The cops arriving on the scene were shooting at anything and everything.
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