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To: OneWingedShark

1 - Standing is required in ALL cases. No court will hear a plaintiff who lacks standing. And if any harm you claim to have suffered is the same that everyone else in the country suffers, then you have suffered no individual harm - and thus lack standing.

2 - Lack of evidence is not proof of conspiracy.

3 - I’ve had commanders tell me to shut up many times. It isn’t “indicative of malfeasance”. It just means they think your complaint is stupid.

4 - A picture posted on a website is NOT evidence, in the sense of a legal document. Almost every photo I’ve posted on the web has been altered, normally to improve its quality.

Hawaii has maintained that Obama was born there. As long as the state of Hawaii is willing to claim that, you aren’t going to get a court to investigate the original certificate.

Butterdzillion is a patriot and good-hearted person. But honestly, her idea of proof and mine differ considerably. Her theories will not get a court to order Hawaii to produce any original documents.

“Greeley native Lakin was reportedly warned off his suit by sympathetic lawyers to no avail. Lakin has teamed up with the American Patriot Foundation, the group behind a website called “safeguardourconstitution.com.” He is the highest-ranking active duty officer to publicly challenge Obama’s natural-born citizenship and he seems intent to play a game of chicken with the president.

“If they court-martial [Lakin], it will be huge,” said American Patriot Foundation Spokesperson Margaret Hemenway. “They will risk making a martyr of him.”

http://coloradoindependent.com/50659/birther-army-doctor-lakin-refuses-to-deploy-his-greeley-family-supports-obama

Eventually, Lakin ditched the pee-poor legal advice he had received, and got a lawyer who was interested in protecting him. His argument was ridiculous, and his obeying all orders except deploying a contradiction.


25 posted on 02/13/2013 6:07:08 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers
1 - Standing is required in ALL cases. No court will hear a plaintiff who lacks standing. And if any harm you claim to have suffered is the same that everyone else in the country suffers, then you have suffered no individual harm - and thus lack standing.

The courts have denied standing to even those who clearly have standing: Alan Keys, for example.

2 - Lack of evidence is not proof of conspiracy.

I didn't say only lack of evidence, but evidence of tampering in archives as well.

3 - I’ve had commanders tell me to shut up many times. It isn’t “indicative of malfeasance”. It just means they think your complaint is stupid.

Funny, but to tell him to shut up when requesting the verification of the legitimacy of his orders is, bluntly, idiotic. -- But, hey, I was basically told the same thing when I observed that if Obama were found ineligible it would be the duty of everyone in the Army to remove him (the oath is to the Constitution, not a person or group of people); that was a big factor in my deciding to -get out: it was obvious to me that my commanders had no interest in upholding their oath.

4 - A picture posted on a website is NOT evidence, in the sense of a legal document.

Actually it is itself fraud ("an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual") and should itself open the door to investigation.

Hawaii has maintained that Obama was born there. As long as the state of Hawaii is willing to claim that, you aren’t going to get a court to investigate the original certificate.

Really, then couldn't they confirm which hospital it was? I mean two different hospitals have been claimed... also, what about the backing-off of the governor [?] after elected? What about the grandmother claiming to be at his birth in Kenya? (There's just way too many inconsistencies.)

His argument was ridiculous, and his obeying all orders except deploying a contradiction.

That's true -- once I'd challenged the legitimacy of one order, I would have challenged the legitimacy of ALL subsequent orders.

26 posted on 02/13/2013 6:27:11 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mr Rogers

There are no issues of standing in a military court martial. It is a civil law concept only.
There are also no issues of standing on the criminal side of our legal system.
Challengers to Obama’s eligibility proclaim allegations of criminal activity like forgery, fraud, identity theft and altering official documents yet they only use the civil courts to press these claims; Very strange.


44 posted on 02/13/2013 11:23:02 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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